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Our neighbors ask us for money. My husband gave them $400. Is it bad to say no?
This man and his wife have fallen on hard times, but in reality they have been in this predicament for decades. He hasn’t had a job for many years, because he says that his wages will be garnished so it isn’t worth working. They owe a lot in property taxes. So he does odd jobs for cash.
They have hit up neighbors for money over the years, but everyone else has stopped giving them money. Even the local church no longer helps them out. The wife receives Social Security Disability and the husband just turned 62 and started receiving Social Security this month.
Their house is literally falling apart, and they have no running water. They come to our house to fill up water jugs when needed. Just this month, my husband loaned the man $400. I wouldn’t mind this, except this guy constantly calls my husband to borrow $20 or $40 at a time.
‘Are we being selfish?’
Sometimes my husband will have him work off some of the money he owes by weeding or trimming shrubs — things we can do ourselves. My husband claims that the guy will pay us back when he has the money, but I doubt it. We are now constantly fighting about this.
I am starting to feel that we are being used, but my husband feels bad for them. We are a retired couple in our late 60s and this is blowing our budget for retirement. My husband says that we have the money and are in good financial shape.
I told my husband that instead of giving cash, let’s buy our neighbor oil for his car — he has a history of running vehicles into the ground from not taking care of them — or gas cards, or store gift cards, but he says the guy wants cash. I don’t know how long this will go on.
Am I being selfish? Is there another way to handle this situation?
Good (or Bad) Neighbors
Related: My in-laws asked me to relinquish any claim to $100,000 they gave us as a down payment for our house — on the day we closed. Is that legal?

“As shocking as it might seem, there are more than 2.2 million people in the U.S. without running water.”
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Dear Neighbor,
Being a good neighbor does not necessarily mean giving money to others when they ask for it. In fact, you could be enabling these neighbors rather than helping them. But there are other issues here that need addressing: You can be a good neighbor by helping them find assistance to make their home habitable — including making sure they have access to running water. This is not just a lifestyle or financial problem: Unhygienic conditions pose a threat to their health, too.
They might be able to apply for single-family-housing loans through the Department of Agriculture. Other organizations that could help them bring their home up to basic standards include AARP; the nonprofit Community Action Partnership, which was created as part of President Lyndon B. Johnson’s War on Poverty and with the advocacy of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.; and Habitat for Humanity, a nonprofit that partners with people in the local community.
Your neighbors may be stuck in a cycle of poverty, and giving them cash will not help address their basic needs. Contaminated water and poor sanitation are linked to many diseases such as diarrhea, dysentery, hepatitis A and typhoid, the World Health Organization says, adding that “absent, inadequate, or inappropriately managed water and sanitation services expose individuals to preventable health risks.”
As shocking as it might seem, there are more than 2.2 million people in the U.S. without running water, according to the nonprofit DigDeep, which aims to bring safe, clean water to all U.S. households. Another 44 million people in the U.S. don’t have water that’s safe to drink. “Black and Latinx households are twice as likely as white households to lack indoor plumbing, while Native American households are 19 [times] as likely,” the organization says.
Selfish versus realistic
As to your original question, there’s nothing like a balance sheet and a timeline to provide context and wake people up to the realities of their own retirement prospects. You could use this as an opportunity to have a discussion with your husband about your financial goals, income, savings and expenditures. You’re correct that $400 here and $40 there can add up, and your husband is effectively addressing the symptoms of your neighbors’ financial troubles rather than the source of the problem.
You’re not being selfish; you’re being realistic. We are here to help people — that is our job as human beings — but no one can be expected to pour money into a neighbor’s coffers at the expense of their own financial well-being. Perhaps it makes your husband feel good about himself, but there are other ways for him to help out in his community, in addition to the organizations listed above. Decisions about giving money to these neighbors should be made jointly by you and him. A codependent relationship with a neighbor is not advisable.
There’s very little chance that you will see any of this money again, so if your husband has given a total of $1,000 — to pick a round number — to these neighbors, he needs to write it off and then consider what else you could have done with that money: fix your own plumbing, improve insulation, replaster walls, paint your home, upgrade your car, top up your emergency fund — which should be enough to cover at least six months’ worth of expenses — or even take a vacation.
This is not Monopoly money. Your husband is putting your neighbors’ needs above your own, and as long as he is a “soft touch” — that is, someone who finds it difficult to say no even when many others reached that point a long time ago — the longer he will continue to act as a “savior.” The term has biblical connotations, but it’s not always a smart or sustainable choice in real life. He can still be a good husband and a good neighbor, though, by being a helper.
He just needs to know the difference between the two.
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I asked my elderly father to quitclaim his home so I can refinance it — and take out a $200,000 annuity for my sister and me. Is this a good idea?
My partner is against us getting married. I’m not on the deed to his home, but he has a revocable trust. What could go wrong?
I want my son to inherit my $1.2 million house. Should I leave it to my second husband in my will? He promised to pass it on.
My in-laws asked me to relinquish any claim to $100,000 they gave us as a down payment for our house — on the day we closed. Is that legal?
Dear Quentin,
My husband and I purchased a house together in New York about a year ago. We’ve been married 14 years. His parents gave us $100,000 toward the house, which was deposited in a joint bank account, one that I don’t have access to.
About a week later, my in-laws had me sign a document stating that the funds were considered “separate property” and that I wouldn’t claim any of those funds in case of a divorce. I signed this document on the day of the closing with their family lawyer, who was also the notary.
Does this document have legal standing in case of a divorce in New York state? Would this be considered signing under duress given that it happened on closing day, or a conflict of interest given that the family lawyer represented all of us?
Confused and Curious
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Dear Confused,
There is a lot of uncertainty in your letter about what happened on the day you signed this postnuptial agreement — and how you felt about signing it. The most revealing and yet confusing word you use is when you say your in-laws “had” you sign. It appears that you did so voluntarily and exercised your free will, but also that you felt pressure to do so. An attorney should walk you through the events of that day. But you do not say that you were forced to sign or did so under duress.
However, there are other aspects to this scenario that should be considered if you consult your own attorney — one who represents you exclusively. You say you were given no time to think it over. According to the New York City Bar: “If either you or your spouse uses pressure to get the postnuptial agreement signed or does not give the other enough time to consider the postnuptial agreement, the court may not enforce the postnuptial agreement.”
It adds: “The postnuptial agreement takes the control over your property and assets away from the state and places it in the hands of you and your spouse. A postnuptial is valid and can be enforced as long as it protects both you and your spouse and it was entered into with a full and fair disclosure of all assets by both you and your spouse. The agreement must also be executed and acknowledged with the full formality required for a property deed to be recorded.”
You say $100,000 was deposited into a joint account. I assume you mean it was one held by your in-laws and your husband, and your postnuptial agreement deals with this $100,000 as a separate gift before it was used as a down payment. (An aside: This strikes me as bizarre behavior, given that you are both buying a home — I assume you will both be on the deed as well as the mortgage — and you have been married for 14 years.)
Marital property versus separate property
“In order for an agreement waiving your right to marital property to be valid and enforceable under New York law — in this case the apparent postnuptial agreement at issue — it would have to be (i) in writing, (ii) subscribed by you and your husband and (iii) acknowledged or proven in the manner required to entitle a deed to be recorded,” says Ory Apelboim, partner in the Matrimonial & Family Law Practice Group at Blank Rome.
And if these conditions were met? “Then other issues might come into play,” he says. “New York has a strong public policy favoring individuals deciding their own interests through contracts. However, an agreement between spouses may be invalidated if the party challenging the agreement demonstrates that it was the product of fraud, duress or other inequitable conduct, or if the terms are unconscionable or the product of overreaching.”
The fact that you had no counsel and that it could be considered manifestly unfair could also play in your favor. “There could be an inference of overreaching by your husband, which he would be required to rebut,” Apelboim adds. “Additional considerations are the existence of a fiduciary relationship between you and your husband and the fact that postnuptial agreements are contracts which require consideration that is a benefit to each party.”
You have three questions to ask yourself: the legal and financial questions and the moral one. Do you have a legal basis to challenge the postnuptial agreement? Do you believe challenging your husband for half of this down payment ($50,000) would be worth it in the event you divorced? Or is this a matter of principle — you should have been given more time to consider your options, especially given that you have been married for 14 years?
If you do decide to contest this agreement, do it because you would not have signed under any other circumstances. How would you have responded if your in-laws had given you time to think this over? It seems like a big ask by your in-laws after 14 years of marriage. I could better understand their rationale if they had asked you to sign a prenuptial agreement. If you genuinely believe this is unfair, and you signed this contract under duress, ask an attorney for an opinion.
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Previous columns by Quentin Fottrell:
I asked my elderly father to quitclaim his home so I can refinance it — and take out a $200,000 annuity for my sister and me. Is this a good idea?
My partner is against us getting married. I’m not on the deed to his home, but he has a revocable trust. What could go wrong?
I want my son to inherit my $1.2 million house. Should I leave it to my second husband in my will? He promised to pass it on.
‘He broke down in tears’: I gave my contractor $100,000, but he used it to pay off his debts. What chance do I have of getting my money back?
I’m in a home-renovation nightmare. My interior designer accepted $100,000 in payments for appliances, cabinets, flooring, fixtures and hardware but never paid the vendors for those items. When confronted he broke down in tears, and confessed that he needed to use the money on other business expenses.
Meanwhile, my project is at a standstill and I’m left living in expensive short-term rentals in California. I could go to the police and have him arrested for embezzlement, post warnings on social media, and/or sue him for the money but it’s apparent that he doesn’t have the money to repay me unless he can somehow stay in business.
My dilemma is do I stay quiet and continue dogging him for money until he pays me back, or report him and put him out of business thereby protecting others from a similar fate?
Looking for Justice in a Desert City
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Dear Desert City,
The most important thing to remember is that those tears were for himself. They were not for you, they were a result of the realization that he had been caught using your money to pay his debts, and that he could face legal and public consequences. He was not shedding tears when he stole your money that you worked very hard for.
Why do I say this? Because you are very likely dealing with a narcissistic personality who will do what he needs to do to ensure his own business stays afloat — because your money means nothing to him except as a solution to pay his way out of debt. And because if he senses that you are a soft touch, he will string you along for months, even years.
You will need to light a proverbial fire under him to let him know that you will go to the local press, the District Attorney’s Office, the Better Business Bureau and, yes, the police if he does not repay your money within a set period of time. Of course, he will likely ask for more time, and more, and more. Send him a registered letter that establishes a firm deadline and what you will do, as outlined above, if he does not meet it.
Before taking legal action, which would be expensive and prolonged, you are in a face-off of confidence. Anything that threatens his reputation and ability to do business will do more to get him to treat you as a serious contender, someone not to be messed with, and who does not take the theft of $100,000 lightly. Presumably, he has a lot of money running through his accounts, but he chose you as a soft touch. Prove him wrong.
Angi, the home-services website, has other suggestions. “If you hired a licensed and bonded contractor, you can file a complaint with the licensing board against their bond,” it says. “But you need to provide proof, which is why your written contract, payment history, and records of contacting the contractor are essential.”
“Arbitration is a low-cost process where a neutral or third party mediates a resolution between you and the contractor,” the company adds. “These out-of-court hearings are a great way to come to a final agreement without stepping into court. Ask an attorney about how to approach arbitration and what they recommend for your case.”
Always get your contractor and/or interior designer to sign a contract, ask for their insurance information and license, don’t pay for services and fixtures and fittings up front, and make sure you get receipts for everything. Your case falls beyond the remit of the small-claims court. And if your contractor declares bankruptcy, you will have to get in line as one of his creditors.
In California, “theft by false pretenses” involves one party taking your property by either lying to you or by making a false promise. “The fact is that ‘false pretenses’ is a theft crime just like shoplifting or grand theft auto,” according to the Shouse California Law Group. “If you are charged with this crime, you may face the same kinds of penalties as someone who is charged with one of those more conventional kinds of theft.”
Know your audience: This is a person who will do whatever it takes to make sure he gets out of the hole he dug for themselves. It will be hard to see them post about their business on Facebook and Instagram
META,
encouraging others to use their services, so make sure he knows you mean business. If he wants to avoid a PR armageddon, he should deal with you first.
My father has dementia and ‘forgave’ my brother’s $200,000 house loan. The nursing-home notary said he was of sound mind. What can we do?
My husband bought our house with an inheritance. I signed a quitclaim. He said I could live there after he dies, but changed his mind. What now?
Low-paying jobs are the economy’s way of saying you should get a better job’: I’ve decided to stop tipping, except at restaurants. Am I wrong?
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I gave my daughter $5K for her divorce but she lashed out when I said ‘no more’
Despite the ups and downs of life, as brilliantly described by Jonathan Clements, I was able to retire at 58 in 2018. My wife, who is 10 years younger, will follow me in 2024. Throughout our working years and my retirement, we have financially helped our children, who are in their mid- to late 30s. I have two daughters from my previous marriage, while my wife has a son. We try to instill fiscal responsibility but find that difficult to attain, particularly with my daughters.
Unfortunately, a recent schism occurred with my youngest daughter, who is mired in a nasty divorce. She is a stay-at-home mom raising my 2-year-old grandson. She and her husband have no savings, however; they have about $200,000 equity in their home. Initially, she asked for $5,000 to retain a New Jersey divorce attorney; her mom, my ex-wife, and I agreed to split the cost.
The schism occurred when she asked for more money to pay her attorney. I refused because the divorce has dragged out too long, and I feel like her attorney is running up the tab. She lashed with several humiliating and disrespectful texts, insinuating that I am not a loving and caring father. Moreover, her mother took her side in this quarrel. Her mother spent $36,000 renovating her home in New Jersey so my daughter and her son could move in with her after the divorce.
“‘Her mother spent $36,000 renovating her home in New Jersey so my daughter and her son could move in with her after the divorce.’”
As kind of financial therapy, I decided to run the numbers with my Quicken and found that excluding child support, I have provided over $166,000 in financial assistance to my daughters since they graduated from high school, with my youngest daughter receiving the most money ($94,000) because she decided to attend a private university in Manhattan.
Beyond college assistance, I gave money for moves, healthcare, auto breakdowns, etc. In other words, I was their emergency fund. Moreover, I decided to fund my daughters’ annual IRA with their understanding that I will need to stop if there is a significant market downturn, which I did last year and this year due to the recent bear market.
“‘I lost half my net worth due to my divorce. I dusted myself off, worked hard, saved and recovered nicely.’”
I retired as a healthcare administrator. Despite a former financial adviser who placed a good percentage of my investments in tech stocks in 2000, I lost half my net worth due to my divorce. I dusted myself off, worked hard, saved and recovered nicely. I do not have a pension; thus, I live off my investments. My wife’s public-school salary is not enough to pay for the lifestyle we have become accustomed to since my working days.
I am mindful of “sequence-of-return risk,” where the timing of my withdrawals could adversely affect my retirement income. So I use the “bucket strategy” — dividing my retirement strategy into short-, medium- and long-term needs — to help minimize that risk, although the bond portfolio bucket has taken a beating.
We presently have $2.8 million in financial assets with $2.5 million in retirement accounts. We draw $75,000 to $90,000 annually to support our lifestyle. We have no debt. Our condo is valued at $700,000. Am I right to refuse to continue to financially support my daughter’s divorce? I truly believe she should have learned to stand on her own feet by now.
Sad Dad
Dear Sad Dad,
You paid for her wedding, I presume, and now you are expected to pay for her divorce. There is a fine line between facilitator and enabler, and your instincts are telling you that you have reached that line. The logical response to an endless supply of funds is that more funds will be forthcoming. You have played a part in creating this expectation.
When you cut off the supply, your daughter will react — positively, neutrally or negatively. She could have responded in one of three ways: 1) ask you why, and thank you for all of your help in the past; 2) ask you to help her one last time, even though it may not be the last time; or 3) let loose about how the money is a representation of how much you care for her.
Ordinarily, I would say being cajoled into giving a child money — or anyone money — is a no-no, especially if they resort to name-calling or reducing the relationship to a transaction. While I disagree with her response, this is what your daughter has learned: She needs money, and you will give it to her because a) you are her father and b) your love is expressed in financial support, among other ways.
“Divorce takes a toll on a person’s mental health as well as their bank balance, so give your daughter a pass this time. But make sure it’s the last time.”
Divorce is a financially and emotionally devastating experience, and your daughter — for better or worse — is at her most vulnerable emotionally and financially. She needs to see it through, pay her attorney and, hopefully, get the best deal she can with the help of this divorce attorney. Pay for the divorce, and ask her to never send you texts like that again.
Be clear that this is the last time. Tell the truth. It gives you pleasure to help your children in life, but there comes a point where that help is becoming an emergency fund. Instead, she needs to learn how to budget and plan for unforeseen events. She may or may not be grateful, but this needs to be a milestone conversation that you can refer to for future requests.
The average cost of divorce in the U.S. hovers at $7,500, but the median is closer to $12,500. Attorney fees can range from $100 an hour to $400-plus an hour. It’s an exhausting and nasty business. While I feel your daughter has become too reliant on your financial support, given your healthy net worth, this is probably not the time to pull the plug.
“When you have all your own ducks in a row, you may consider taking out tax-advantaged 529 college-savings plans for your grandchildren. ”
Divorce takes a toll on a person’s mental health as well as their bank balance, so give her a pass this time. Assuming you are now in your early to mid-60s, you will have enough to see you through retirement, although you should talk to a financial adviser about ways you could cut down on expenses, and whether withdrawals of $90,000 a year are feasible over the long term.
You should have your own emergency fund, long-term-care insurance (taken out long before now, I hope, as the premiums increase over time), a durable power of attorney, a will and a healthcare advance directive. When you have all your own ducks in a row, you may consider taking out tax-advantaged 529 college-savings plans for your grandchildren.
There are many ways you can help your daughter without being an ATM every time she runs into trouble. Living with your ex-wife will help. As a post-divorce gift, you could pay for her to meet with a financial planner. Could she find a part-time job, if she is not working? It’s time for her to build her own emergency fund. Ultimately, she needs to embrace her newfound independence.
If she gets wind of your retirement fund, there will be no end to her requests.

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(Bloomberg) — He built a fortune lending to low-income borrowers shunned by banks. He paid staff below-market wages and thought they still earned too much. He gave away almost all his wealth to a handful of employees, content with his small house and a $5,000 car.
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R Thyagarajan is arguably one of the world’s most idiosyncratic financiers — in no small part because his multibillion-dollar business, the Shriram Group, has thrived in an industry that tripped up countless others around the globe.
A pioneer in extending credit to India’s poor for trucks, tractors and other vehicles, Thyagarajan built Shriram into a conglomerate that employs 108,000 people in everything from insurance to stockbroking. Shares of the group’s flagship firm hit a record in July after jumping more than 35% this year, four times more than India’s benchmark stock index.
Now 86, and settled into an advisory role, Thyagarajan said in a rare interview with Bloomberg News that he entered the industry to prove lending to people without credit histories or regular incomes isn’t as risky as it’s perceived. He insists there’s nothing unusual about his approach to business — or his decision to give away a stake in Shriram now valued at more than $750 million.
“I’m a bit of a leftist,” RT, as he’s known, said in the south Indian city of Chennai, where he founded the group in 1974. “I was never enthusiastic about making life pleasanter for people who already have a good life.” Rather, I “wanted to take away some unpleasantness in the lives of people who are getting into problems.”
Thyagarajan’s career highlights untapped opportunities in the world’s most populous country, as more of its 1.4 billion people strive to enter a growing middle class. Though Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government has pushed to expand access to India’s banking services, about a quarter of the nation still doesn’t have access to the formal financial system. And roughly a third of those who do have a bank account never use it, according to the World Bank.
Lending to the poor is a form of socialism, Thyagarajan contends. But by offering a cheaper option than the punitive rates available to the unbanked, he has sought to demonstrate that the business can be safe and profitable. And in doing so, he’s persuaded other companies to bring down borrowing costs.
Now, the industry is big business. India has about 9,400 so-called shadow banks, which mostly offer financial services to people passed over by conventional lenders.
“RT is an outlier,” said Srinivas Balasubramanian, senior partner and head of corporate finance at KPMG India. “Few have sustained and thrived for so long.”
Building An Empire
Indeed, Thyagarajan stands out in an industry that has been plagued by ethical challenges and is prone to booms and busts — with blowups sometimes threatening the financial system. The most obvious example is the subprime mortgage crisis in the US. More recently, the collapse of a non-bank lender in Mexico last year wiped out billions for investors.
Forging a socialism-inspired lending firm might seem an unexpected career choice for a man who grew up surrounded by servants in a well-to-do farming family in the state of Tamil Nadu. But Thyagarajan said he’s always had an analytical and egalitarian-oriented mind.
He studied mathematics at the undergraduate and master’s level in Chennai before spending three years at the prestigious Indian Statistical Institute in Kolkata.
In 1961, he joined New India Assurance Co., one of India’s largest insurers, starting a spell in finance as a company employee that lasted two decades. It included stints at Vysya Bank, a regional lender, and JB Boda & Co., a reinsurance broker.
Along the way, people in Chennai came to him seeking money to buy used trucks, and he gave them loans from his inheritance. Gradually, that side venture morphed into his life’s main act. At 37, he founded Shriram Chits with friends and relatives.
The unbanked often rely on so-called chit funds, a collective savings scheme where each member deposits a fixed amount every month. The pot is doled out to one investor a month until everyone has received a share. The money is used for farm equipment, school fees or other large purchases.
Over the years, Thyagarajan set up other firms, and Shriram eventually grew into a group of more than 30 companies.
In truck financing, Thyagarajan saw people paying rates as steep as 80% because banks wouldn’t deal with them. He concluded that the prevailing thinking was wrong.
“People used to think that because the interest rates were very high, the lending was very risky,” he says. “I realized it was not risky at all.”
This epiphany would define his life. He decided to lend at rates that were still extremely high by global standards, but lower than other options. “Interest rates went from 30%-35% to 17%-18%,” he said.
Thyagarajan says his approach wasn’t about charity. It was infused with two key capitalist beliefs. One was the importance of private-sector entrepreneurship; the other, faith in market principles.
That ethos has paid dividends: Shriram collects more than 98% of dues on time, filings show. It gets its lending decisions right, the local unit of S&P Ratings says.
More broadly, non-bank financiers like Shriram are crucial for supporting India’s newly banked. They underwrite loans and other products that require skill-sets banks often don’t have, according to Bindu Ananth, co-founder of Dvara Holdings, which backs companies driving financial inclusion.
“Ensuring participation of the poor and marginalized in India’s formal financial system is key to driving the economic growth in a sustainable manner,” Ananth said.
Today, the Shriram Group serves about 23 million customers.
Shriram Finance Ltd., the flagship, has a market value of about $8.5 billion and made about $200 million in profit in the quarter that ended in June. Only one of the 34 analysts tracking the stock recommends selling it.
A Different Approach
Lending to the poor can be murky. Exorbitant interest rates routinely lead vulnerable borrowers deeper into debt. In India, loan sharks sometimes resort to heavy-handed debt collection. Consumer protection is especially weak in the microfinance industry, despite its emphasis on lifting up the vulnerable.
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Asked to explain what Shriram does differently, Thyagarajan said the group doesn’t look at credit scores, for instance, because most customers aren’t part of the formal financial system. Instead, staff rely on references from existing customers.
Internally, the company also takes a unique approach to compensation. Thyagarajan has long believed staff are paid too much, even though they get less than market rates. Lower-level employees often earn about 30% less than peers. For senior executives, the discount is as much as 50%.
“We would give them as much as they need to keep themselves reasonably happy, not euphoric,” Thyagarajan said. “They shouldn’t be encouraged to compare themselves with all people around them. They would have only misery.”
He insists employees are mostly content with this structure. Though pay is less, staff said in interviews that the job comes with more flexibility than at peer firms.
“I value the peace of mind, stability and comfort that this job offers,” said Amol Bowlekar, a branch manager for Shriram Finance in Mumbai, who said he has turned down several higher paying job offers. “The group’s culture is more humane. There is no insane pressure to deliver.”
Living Modestly
Part of what makes Shriram’s system fair, staff say, is Thyagarajan’s own willingness to live among the masses. For years, he drove a Hyundai hatchback. And he doesn’t own a mobile phone, which he considers a distraction.
The tycoon gave away all his shareholdings in Shriram companies to a group of employees, transferring them to the Shriram Ownership Trust, which was set up in 2006. The perpetual trust has 44 group executives as beneficiaries. Executives leave when they retire, taking millions of dollars with them.
The total value of the trust’s holding exceeds $750 million and has gone up several-fold in recent years, people familiar with the matter said, asking not to be identified as the information is private.
In his three-hour interview with Bloomberg, Thyagarajan said he didn’t need the money then or now — and he ultimately prefers simple pursuits. These days, he spends hours listening to classical music and reading Western business magazines.
In December, Shriram Transport Finance Co. absorbed Shriram Capital Ltd. and Shriram City Union Finance Ltd. in a share-swap deal. Shriram Transport finances trucks, while Shriram City Union funds purchases of consumer goods and motorcycles.
Thyagarajan says executives planned this for years, but he wasn’t involved in the details. He no longer has a formal role at the company, but every fortnight, senior managers brief him and seek his advice.
“I have the personality of a consultant,” Thyagarajan says. “I can see things slightly differently. I’m OK with people not accepting my perception and doing things based on their perception. And if it turns out that I was right and they were wrong, which happens most of the time, I am able to communicate with them later on and say I told you so.”
Shriram’s strength is also its weakness, according to Kranthi Bathini, an equity strategist at WealthMills Securities Pvt. in Mumbai. Most customers are non-prime, which means “asset quality and profitability underperformance could come at any point,” he says.
There’s also key-person risk, according to Bathini. With “cultish” founders like Thyagarajan, it’s tough for anyone else to lead.
Lastly, Bathini says, a left-wing mindset isn’t always great for shareholder returns, though they have been fine so far.
Still, Thyagarajan’s record of success is hard to argue with. But he plays down talk that his life is frugal, saying he even occasionally splurges on trips with family to tiger sanctuaries.
His one regret isn’t that he gave his wealth away, but how he did it. If he’d realized how profitable Shriram would become, and how much the stock would rise, he would have spread the bounty.
“I did not imagine that so much money was going to be distributed to so few,” he says. “I’m not very happy about it. But it’s OK. I’m not very sad either.”
–With assistance from Jane Pong.
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Warren Buffett just gave away nearly $5 billion of his wealth again—he could have been the world’s richest man if that’s what he actually wanted
Warren Buffet is a staunch supporter of many things: the McMuffin, Diet Coke, and philanthropy. The Berkshire Hathaway CEO donated $4.6 billion of his Berkshire Hathaway stock (consisting of about 13.7 million B shares) to five charities in his annual donation on Wednesday. While the number of shares Buffett gives away decreases by 5% each year, it’s his largest in value yet thanks to the company’s climbing stock prices.
“Nothing extraordinary has occurred at Berkshire; a very long runway, simple, and generally sound decisions, the American tailwind and compounding effects produced my current wealth,” Buffett explained in a press release.
At this point, the investor continued, he’s given away $50 billion in shares based on the value of when they were received—worth $132 billion at today’s stock price. The majority of Buffett’s $118 billion fortune is tied up in stock; his remaining shares are worth about $112 billion. As Business Insider points out, if Buffett had held on to all the shares he’s given away, his net worth would top $250 billion. That would make him the world’s richest man, above Elon Musk, instead of his current status as the world’s sixth-richest man.
Having given away 54% of his Berkshire Hathaway stock, the “Oracle of Omaha” is well on his way to getting rid of the majority of his wealth. “My will provides that more than 99% of my estate is destined for philanthropic usage,” he wrote in the press release. In 2006, Buffett pledged to give away 85% of his stock in the company to charity, designating the majority of it to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Four years later, he vowed to redistribute 99% of his wealth to philanthropy during or after his lifetime when signing the Giving Pledge with friend and fellow billionaire Bill Gates, calling upon their billionaire peers to give up a large portion of their wealth to charity.
The Gates Foundation continues to be the prime beneficiary of Buffett’s donations, alongside the Susan Thompson Buffett Foundation, the Sherwood Foundation, Howard G. Buffett Foundation, and NoVo Foundation, whose collective goals range from social justice initiatives in Nebraska to empowering women and girls.
Buffett has long been vocal about his desire to give away his billions, telling Fortune’s Carol Loomis back in 2006 that he never planned to leave his entire fortune to his children. “A very rich person should leave his kids enough to do anything but not enough to do nothing,” he said.
He’s often bemoaned generational wealth as one of the main drivers of growing income inequality in the U.S. “Dynastic wealth, the enemy of a meritocracy, is on the rise,” he said in 2007. “Equality of opportunity has been on the decline. A progressive and meaningful estate tax is needed to curb the movement of a democracy toward plutocracy.”
Buffett, 92, reportedly wants his billions spent within 10 years of his death, according to a Wall Street Journal investigation from last year. While most will go to the five charities, namely the Gates Foundation, there are still unpledged shares left up in the air. He hasn’t yet disclosed the nitty-gritty of how that wealth will be split after his death; estate planning experts told the Journal his pledge letter was a bit ambiguous.
Gates Foundation staffers have been banking on receiving both the pledged and remaining unpledged shares, an employee told the Journal. One purported suggestion was to create a world children’s savings bank, they said, in which children would receive thousands of dollars that “sit on a shelf, like a battle plan” for baby beneficiaries.
For now, though, Buffett is still getting his McMuffin a day and chipping away at donating his amassed fortune to charity.
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