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Johnson Controls International Plc (JCI) Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript
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Johnson Controls International Plc (JCI -3.81%)
Q1 2024 Earnings Call
Jan 30, 2024, 8:30 a.m. ET
Contents:
- Prepared Remarks
- Questions and Answers
- Call Participants
Prepared Remarks:
Operator
Good morning, and welcome to the Johnson Controls first-quarter 2024 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator instructions] Please note, today’s event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jim Lucas, vice president, investor relations.
Please go ahead.
Jim Lucas — Vice President, Investor Relations
Good morning, and thank you for joining our conference call to discuss Johnson Controls’ first-quarter fiscal 2024 results. The press release and related tables that were issued earlier this morning, as well as the conference call slide presentation, can be found on the Investor Relations portion of our website at johnsoncontrols.com. Joining me on the call today are Johnson Controls’ chairman and chief executive officer, George Oliver; chief financial officer, Olivier Leonetti, and newly appointed chief financial officer, Marc Vandiepenbeeck. Before we begin, let me remind you that during our presentation today, we will make forward-looking statements.
Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by forward-looking statements due to a variety of risks and uncertainties. Please note that we assume no obligation to update these forward-looking statements even if actual results or future expectations change materially. Please refer to our SEC filings for a detailed discussion of these risks and uncertainties in addition to the inherent limitations of such forward-looking statements. We will also reference certain non-GAAP measures.
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Reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are contained in the schedules attached to our press release and in the appendix to this presentation, both of which can be found on the Investor Relations section of Johnson Controls’ website. I will now turn the call over to George.
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Thanks, Jim, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us on the call today. Now, let’s begin with Slide 3. We are gaining momentum as we exit the first quarter.
Our team has been unbelievable in managing through the recent cyber disruption, which occurred early in the quarter. While it is challenging to comprehensively quantify the overall business impact as we recovered from the incident, we are back on track. In fact, over the course of the last 120 days since the cyber incident, we have connected with many of our key customers, solidifying already-strong relationships and strengthening their trust and confidence in Johnson Controls. It is clear from their feedback that our value proposition continues to resonate, and customers believe in our products and services.
As we enter the new calendar year, we are seeing positive signs. During the quarter, we delivered solid first-quarter results, generally in line with our forecast. The fundamentals of our business are strong as we met expectations for sales, margins, and adjusted EPS in the face of headwinds from the cyber disruption, ongoing weakness in global residential HVAC, and significant slowing in China. Olivier will discuss the details of our financials more specifically later in the call.
Looking forward, we expect fiscal 2024 to return to more normalized seasonality in our businesses and the operating environment to be more in line with what we saw prior to the pandemic and recent supply chain disruptions. Our position of building a leading digital building solutions platform continues to be core to our strategy, and we are pleased with the strength of our applied HVAC business, especially as we serve the fast-growing data center market. We are updating our fiscal 2024 guidance today, reducing the full-year adjusted EPS range by $0.05, reflecting growing headwinds in China. Our commercially focused portfolio and long cycle backlog-driven businesses, in addition to our record backlog, gives us more clarity of improvement as fiscal 2024 progresses.
Before we continue, I would like to take the time to thank Olivier for his partnership over the last few years and wish him the best of luck in the next chapter of his career. When Olivier informed me that he was taking a role outside the company, we implemented our internal succession plan, and I am very pleased that Marc Vandiepenbeeck is assuming the role of CFO. Marc has been with Johnson Controls for nearly 20 years, with increasing responsibility in finance roles, including CFO of Building Solutions North America. Last year, we moved Marc into an operating role as president of EMEALA.
Marc brings deep finance expertise and understanding of our customers, global markets, and operational knowledge. I am confident that we will continue to build on the foundations already in place, and I look forward to partnering with Marc in his new role. Now, turning to Slide 4. I’d like to highlight the strong foundation of operational excellence at Johnson Controls and our value creation framework.
We are capturing the secular trends across sustainable and healthy buildings. We have the right strategy and operating system in place to create value for our shareholders. And as part of our commitment to disciplined capital allocation, we remain focused on deploying resources to the right opportunities. Our team has made great progress in the last two years, creating a digital services model, and our investments have been a key enabler.
The addition of FM:Systems gave us increased capabilities to serve our customers as they improve their workplace environment. Digital is a strong enabler to creating recurring revenue, retaining customers and supporting higher, sustainable service growth rates. Within service, we are changing the game from deploying a mechanical contractor to creating multiple options for our customers. We are increasing job size, improving margins, and creating scalable solutions.
In addition, we are maximizing value creation through digitally enabled offerings and accelerating our life cycle solutions entitlements across all of our domains. Our team’s model has a strong foundation, and we will continue to accelerate the pace of change. At the same time, we have successfully removed many layers of cost across the organization, but we know there is more work to be done. We serve an incredible market, and it is on us to capitalize on the opportunities in front of us.
We will continue to simplify and standardize across our portfolio. As we continue to focus on simplifying the company, we are always assessing opportunities to advance our transformation into a comprehensive solutions provider for commercial buildings. As part of the continuous evaluation of our portfolio, we are in the early stages of pursuing strategic alternatives of our noncommercial product lines, in line with our objective to maximize value to our shareholders. We are very excited about our future and are confident we are on the right path to simplify our portfolio, drive margin expansion, deliver consistent cash flow while serving our customers in the best possible way.
I will now turn the call over to Olivier to go through the financial details of the quarter. Olivier?
Olivier Leonetti — Chief Financial Officer
Thanks, George, and good morning, everyone. Let me start with the summary on Slide 5. As George discussed at the beginning of the call, our team did an incredible job responding to the cyber incident. The disruptions we experienced during the quarter were factored into the guidance we’ve provided last month.
Total revenue of $6.1 billion was flat year over year, while organic sales were down 1% as continued declines in global residential HVAC and accelerated weakness in China’s in-store business more than offset mid single-digit growth in service and continued growth in applied HVAC. Segment margins declined 90 basis points to 12.8%, impacted by tough comps in our shorter-cycle global products business, coupled with ongoing weakness in China’s macro environment. Adjusted EPS of $0.51 exceeded our guidance of $0.48 to $0.50 as we returned to more normalized seasonality. The quarter was impacted by lost momentum from the cyber incident, accelerated weakness in China, and tough comps in our global products business.
Below the line, we saw headwinds from net financing charges due to higher interest rates and increased debt levels, in line with historical trends. On the balance sheet, we ended the first quarter with approximately $1.8 billion in available cash, and net debt increased to 2.2 times, which is within our long-term target range of two times to 2.5 times. The elevated cash position was a direct result of proactive action to mitigate the potential impacts of the cyber incident on cash flow. Adjusted free cash flow improved $180 million year over year, and we anticipate further improvement as we progress through the fiscal year.
Let’s now discuss our segment results in more detail in Slide 6 through Slide 8. Beginning on Slide 6. Organic sales in our global products business declined 1% year over year, with volume declines offsetting price. Global products saw continued strength in commercial HVAC, which grew low single digits after growing low double digits in the comparable period one year ago.
We have been investing in our applied HVAC business for the last couple of years, deploying resources to align to more attractive opportunities resulting in further share gains in calendar 2023. Fire and security declined low single digits. We believe that the majority of the tough year-over-year comparisons in the shorter cycle and direct business have bottomed out, and we should see a return to growth in calendar 2024. Industrial refrigeration had another strong quarter growing over 35%, driven by EMEALA.
Global residential declined high single digits, driven by a greater than 20% decline in North America, which more than offset low single-digit growth in rest of world. North America continues to face market softness, and we believe we have one more quarter with these challenges before the industry begins to see growth in the second half of the year. We’re improving our North America market share and see momentum building. Despite ongoing weaknesses in the European heat pump market, rest of world benefited from strong growth in Japan.
Our book-to-bill business continues to normalize with improved lead times, and our global products third-party backlog decreased 10% from the prior year to $2.3 billion. Adjusted segment EBITA margins declined 240 basis points to 17.9%, as we benefited from insurance proceeds from a warehouse fire in the comparable period last year. We are beginning to see better cost absorption in our factory and expect global products margins to improve throughout the rest of the fiscal year. Moving to Slide 7 to discuss building solutions performance.
Orders increased 1% as mid single-digit order growth in North America and EMEALA was more than offset by a greater than 30% decline in APAC, which was primarily the result of further deterioration of the China-installed business. As the China real estate market continues to weaken and the outlook remains mixed, we have begun to optimize our go-to-market strategy and have become more selective in the business we pursue. Organic sales were flat in the quarter against a tougher comparison of low double-digit growth in the prior year quarter. Install declined mid single digits and more than offset mid single-digit growth in service.
Segment margins declined 10 basis points as accelerated weakness in China offset positive mix in the quarter. Building solutions’ backlog remains at record levels, growing 7% to $12.1 billion. Service backlog is flat, and install backlog grew 8% year over year. Let’s discuss the building solutions performance by region on Slide 8.
Orders in North America increased 6% as we continue to see strong demand across our HVAC and controls platform, growing high single digits, following heightened growth in the comparative period a year ago. Overall, there was broad-based demand in our healthcare, data center, government, and education sectors. Install orders increased 9% year over year, with solid growth in both new construction and retrofit. Sales in North America were up 4% organically, with strong growth across our HVAC and controls platform, up low teens year over year.
Our install business grew 4%, with continued momentum in new construction up over 25% year over year. Organic sales in service grew 4% in the quarter, benefiting from high single-digit growth in our recurring revenue contracts. Segment margins expanded 20 basis points year over year to 11.5%, driven by the continued execution of higher-margin backlog and strength in our higher-margin service business. Total backlog ended the quarter at $8.4 billion, up 11% year over year.
In EMEALA, orders were up 5% with continued strength in service, up 12%. Demand in institutional gained momentum in the quarter growing 50% year over year, driven by public projects in Europe. Industrial refrigeration had another strong quarter with greater than 45% growth. Sales in EMEALA grew 2% organically, led by high single-digit growth in service, with high single-digit growth from our recurring contracts and strong double-digit growth in our shorter-cycle transactional business.
Applied commercial HVAC and fire and security grew low single digits within the quarter. Segment EBITA margins of 7.7% remained flat as the growth in service was offset by the conversion of lower-margin install backlog. We anticipate strong margin expansion in EMEALA through the remainder of the fiscal year. Backlog was up 10% year over year to $2.4 billion.
In Asia Pacific, as I mentioned earlier, orders declined 31% due to further deterioration of the China install business, and we are being more strategic in the deals we select. Overall, APAC set of orders grew low single digits, driven by high single-digit growth in our shorter-term transactional business. Sales in the Asia Pacific declined 21% as the installation business was impacted primarily by accelerated weakness in China. Our service business grew 5% in the quarter.
The weakness in China’s install business was broad-based across the overall portfolio, with HVAC and controls down high-teens and fire and security down 20%. Segment EBITA margins declined 140 basis points to 9.1% as weakness in China offset positive mix in our service business. Backlog of $1.3 billion declined 21% year over year. I would now like to turn the call over to Marc to discuss our second-quarter and fiscal year 2024 guidance.
Marc?
Marc Vandiepenbeeck — Incoming Chief Financial Officer
Thank you, Olivier, and good morning, everyone. Before I discuss our guidance on Slide 9, I want to say how excited I am for the opportunity to partner with George as we simplify and transform Johnson Controls into a comprehensive solution provider for commercial buildings. We exited our first quarter with the cyber incident behind us and the momentum we lost at the start of the year has recovered. We entered the second quarter with a backlog that remains at historical levels, a healthy pipeline of opportunities, and strong momentum in our industry-leading service business.
We are introducing second-quarter sales guidance of approximately flat year on year, which assumed continued weakness in China and global residential HVAC. We expect strong contribution from North America and EMEALA that, once again, by our resilient service business. As we return to seasonality more in line with historical patterns, global product has one more challenging quarter before stabilizing in the second half. For the second quarter, we expect segment EBITA margin to be approximately 14.5% and adjusted EPS to be in the range of $0.74 to $0.78.
For the full year, we continue to expect the top-line growth of mid single digit, led by stronger performance in North America, further improvement in EMEALA, stabilization in global products, and a cautious outlook on China. We expect segment EBITA margin to expand approximately 50 to 75 basis points for the full year as price costs remain positive and mix continue to improve throughout the year. As George mentioned earlier in the call, given the weakening macro outlook in China, we are updating our adjusted EPS guidance range to approximately $3.60 to $3.75. The overall guide assume a return to normal seasonality, second-half stabilization of global products, and a conversion of higher-margin backlog in building solutions.
We continue to expect adjusted free cash flow conversion of approximately 85% for the full year. The improvement we saw in cash flow for the start of the year demonstrate that our working capital improvement are gaining momentum. With that, operator, please open up the lines for questions.
Questions & Answers:
Operator
Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator instructions] In respect of time, we ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up question. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster.
And today’s first question comes from Scott Davis with Melius Research. Please go ahead.
Scott Davis — Melius Research — Analyst
Hey, good morning. Good morning, guys. Can you hear me OK, hopefully?
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah. Good morning, Scott. Can you hear us?
Scott Davis — Melius Research — Analyst
Yeah, fine, thanks. George, I think it’s been a tough couple of quarters. Maybe if we take a step backwards. What do you think, long term, this portfolio, the growth rate and margin levels, and the cash generation, what is kind of your — I don’t want to call it dare to dream, but what is the vision of where you think you can get two, three, four years down the road when — in a more normalized environment?
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yes. So, let me start, Scott, by just saying that, as you know, we’ve been through a significant transformation here into becoming a comprehensive solutions provider for commercial buildings. And then as part of that, continue to focus on how do we — how do we transform the business model and how we bring our differentiated solutions to our customers in the commercial space. And so, as you look at what we’ve been doing, we are well positioned to invest and lead in the overall building solutions space, capitalizing on significant secular trends, sustainable buildings, smart healthy buildings.
And we’ve been allocating our resources and building out the capabilities. When you look at the content of how we differentiate the solutions, it’s not only through the leadership of the product, the applied product and continued investment that we’re making in product but also now deploying those products with a leadership platform with OpenBlue that we believe is going to now lead the industry. And that all is converting into how we change the outcomes for the customers that we serve. And that’s through our engineered commercial solutions and converting what we do within building solutions to a digitally enabled service.
So, when you look at the margin structure as we go forward, not only are we getting a more focused approach to the differentiation with the value proposition right from engineering through install to, then ultimately, getting the life cycle services, when you project the overall performance going forward, we believe that from a growth standpoint, we’ll be well-above market on capitalizing on the secular trends with the differentiation. And from a margin profile, we’ll have a much higher recurring revenue within our services, demanding a much higher margin with the content of the software-enabled services. And then from an overall return, when you look at the conversion to cash, we’re getting now for the value proposition we bring, we’re getting much more on cash upfront relative to that value proposition and ultimately, being able to deliver very strong free cash flow. So, I would say well-above market growth, continued expansion of margins to what we believe is kind of mid to higher teens and then very predictable cash flow with the mix of the content of what we do for our customers.
Scott Davis — Melius Research — Analyst
That’s helpful, George. And when you think about asset sales, and there’s some nuance here, clearly, but is it more a function of simplifying the portfolios, so you can execute on those KPIs that you just mentioned? Or is it — or do the asset sales themselves kind of change the growth and margin profile of the company?
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Let me reflect on that. On the transformation that we’ve been going through, we’ve been continuously evaluating the portfolio kind of where we are with the transformation of a comprehensive solutions provider in commercial buildings and then making sure that our resources are being deployed to the highest priorities. When you look at the noncommercial product lines, they are excellent businesses, but they do not necessarily — are they consistent with the go-forward strategy over the longer term? And that’s now why as we are now pursuing the alternatives here because these are good businesses, and there’s an opportunity with these businesses now to be able to create even more value for our shareholders as we look at the alternatives. We’re very excited about the future and with the prospects that we have and the opportunities that we’re driving toward.
We believe that we’re on the right path now to simplify the portfolio, continue to drive margin expansion, deliver much more consistent cash flow, while most important is really differentiating the value proposition that we can bring to our customers, which is going to be fundamental to the growth.
Operator
Thank you. And our next question today comes from Steve Tusa with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
Steve Tusa — JPMorgan Chase and Company — Analyst
Hi, good morning.
Olivier Leonetti — Chief Financial Officer
Good morning, Steve.
Steve Tusa — JPMorgan Chase and Company — Analyst
It would be great if Marc can answer this question. But for the second quarter, could you just talk about the various segments and how you get to this 14.5% operating margin target, maybe on a year-over-year and sequential basis, and what you expect out of them? And then I have a follow-up. Thanks.
Marc Vandiepenbeeck — Incoming Chief Financial Officer
Yes. Thanks, Steve. So, first, I want to address the change in guidance, right? Since we issued our guidance in December, the impact of the economic environment in China on our business has deteriorated. And we have factored originally a fairly cautious outlook in China in the initial guide.
However, that outlook has further worsened. We refocused the organization going through that tumultuous environment in China. We see a path of recovery to that volume and recovery of the backlog as well in the second half of the year, but it started to bottom out in Q2. We have more clarity on some of the actions we’ve taken around productivity and cost structure, and that should pull the recovery in that backlog.
Now, focusing on Q2 on the different business. If you look at our field-based business, building solutions, the cyber disruption is really behind us. And the loss momentum that we had in Q1 is now recovering and supporting the shorter-cycle businesses, particularly our service mix. If you look at North America and EMEALA, particularly, the margin we have put in the backlog over the last six months, but particularly during the first quarter, gives us confidence that we’re going to be able to deliver on the margin rate for those businesses.
There’s a lot of benefit of cost actions we’ve taken early on in the year and later last year, but there’s also more return to seasonality in our global products business as we see the volume providing marginally in those operations. If you combine all of that, I think we see with confidence that margin being attainable, Steve.
Steve Tusa — JPMorgan Chase and Company — Analyst
OK. And then just, George, for you, I guess. It’s kind of hard to reconcile the commentary on momentum in your strategy with basically negative organic growth this quarter. Do you consider that positive momentum? And then secondly, what was the — what drove the timing on this announcement of evaluating strategic alternatives? I mean, it’s not like you have anything really lined up here official to announce.
So, why are we kind of just throwing this out there today versus maybe over the last couple of years where you’ve been kind of pursuing the same strategy? Just curious on kind of a straightforward answer on both of those. We don’t need a lot of verbiage. Thank you.
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
So, let me just comment on the quarter. As far as momentum, we did have a significant disruption, as Marc said, for about six weeks of the first quarter. And part of that did have an impact on our momentum and our ability to be able to convert and the like. And so, that’s — that was more of a short-term impact in Q1, in addition to the year-on-year adjustment that we’ve had in global products.
As far as the timing, I’m sure you can appreciate, Steve, that the board and the management team, we’ve had a very thoughtful approach to the strategy. We assess all avenues that will deliver value to our shareholders. Our strategy — our transformation has been focused on really leveraging all of our combined strengths and our differentiated product, our digital platform. And then from a go-to-market standpoint, the depth and expertise that we have from an engineering standpoint to ultimately be a comprehensive solutions provider and our ability to be able to take the value proposition and be able to convert that to recurring revenue through services.
We’re seeing that momentum, which is beginning to convert. And as we look at the difference in the business models within the businesses when we talk about the noncommercial businesses, there is a different business model relative to how we serve the market. And I think this allows us to be able to position those businesses for continued growth while we’re creating value, while we’re focused on really now accelerating the progress we’ve made within our building solutions business.
Operator
Thank you. And our next question today comes from Jeff Sprague with Vertical Research. Please go ahead.
Jeff Sprague — Vertical Research Partners — Analyst
Hey, thanks. Good morning, everyone. I wonder if we could just drill a little bit more, George, into kind of the portfolio review. And specifically, as you know, the business is complex day to day for you running it.
It’s even more complex for us on the outside looking in. So, can you just size for us what we’re talking in noncommercial assets? I think I put an estimate out there. I don’t know if I’m in the ballpark or not, but just give us some sense of the total revenues that we’re talking about that are under review and consideration and maybe kind of the average profitability across that basket.
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yes. When you look at the overall revenues of these businesses, it would be less than 25% of the portfolio.
Jeff Sprague — Vertical Research Partners — Analyst
And how did the margins stack up versus the average of JCI?
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Overall, when you look at the mix of the margins, it would be in line with the overall of JCI.
Jeff Sprague — Vertical Research Partners — Analyst
OK. And then just kind of coming back to maybe a more granular point on this then. Even preceding you, I think, as you well know, there was always this debate about, can you extract resi from kind of legacy, YORK, the resi and then light commercial applied are tied together, and maybe it undermines your larger commercial effort if you exit that business. Maybe you found a way to separate resi and light commercial where you think you can.
But can — can you provide any additional context on that and how the light commercial business, in particular, might factor into your strategic thoughts on where the business goes from here?
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Sure. So, if you look at resi, light commercial and the businesses now are really back on track. I mean, we’ve had a really nice quarter here picking up share, both in resi as well as light commercial. [Technical difficulty] business in North America was up double digit, which was supported with 40% growth in commercial and with resi being down about 7%.
So, the businesses now are performing — positioning to perform going forward. On the ductless side, when you look at JCH, it’s where we had strength in Japan, offsetting some of the weakness we saw in Europe and India. So, when you look at the go-to-market, I think it’s important to understand that these noncommercial product lines are excellent businesses. But when you look at the go-to-market, they’re not consistent with what we’re doing as we build out our building solutions over the long term.
And so, we believe that when you look at the value proposition that we bring with our customers, that — although there’s an overlap with some of the applied rooftops, that can be managed with the combination — structure that we put into place going forward. And so, I think when you look at the — it does not erode any value proposition in our comprehensive commercial solutions but also positions the business to be able to take an incredible asset and create more value through growth.
Jeff Sprague — Vertical Research Partners — Analyst
All right. I’ll leave it there. Thanks.
Operator
Thank you. And our next question today comes from Nigel Coe with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.
Nigel Coe — Wolfe Research — Analyst
Thanks. Good morning. So, another question on the portfolio review. So, the press release on Friday highlighted Hitachi but also talked about residential, light commercial for YORK.
And I just wanted to make it very, very clear that we’re talking here about just the U.S. residential assets. But there’s also a mention of the ATT business as well. Any more color in terms of the noncommercial assets because it does feel like there are some commercial businesses here? And then on the Hitachi side, obviously, Hitachi still has 40% of that business.
How much flexibility do you have to seek options for your majority control of the asset?
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
I think you’d appreciate, Nigel, at this stage with the ongoing transformation, I would caution against making any assumptions at this stage and how we will affect it. I think the communication here today is that we’re in — we are pursuing strategic alternatives. So, we’re going to continue to simplify and standardize across the portfolio. But we’re in the early stages.
And at this stage, I’m not going to comment relative to any one of the potential assets that we would look to create value with.
Nigel Coe — Wolfe Research — Analyst
OK. Worth a try though, isn’t it? But if we do assume that you execute on some form of strategic realignment for the portfolio, if you had, let’s say, $5 billion of cash coming in the door today, how would you look to deploy that, George?
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yes. As we look at — I mean, we’re, again, speculating on what would happen. I think as we look at what we do within our comprehensive commercial solutions business, we have been doing bolt-ons. We’ll continue to be able to do bolt-ons in supporting the technology and our go-to-market as we strengthen that across the globe.
And our intent would be to make it accretive as far as whether it’d be through bolt-ons and/or deployment back to our shareholders to offset the dilution that any divestiture might have.
Nigel Coe — Wolfe Research — Analyst
OK. I’ll leave it there. Thanks.
Operator
And our next question today comes from Noah Kaye with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
Noah Kaye — Oppenheimer and Company — Analyst
Great. First, a shorter-term one. You did mention signs of bottoming out in fire and security on the short cycle. Can you just give us some more indicators and confidence there?
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yes. When you look at the business, whether it’d be at the product level or in the field, as far as the demand signals are coming through strong, we’ve gone through some adjustment relative to backlog as well as in the product business, the book-to-bill business, we see this really differentiating our overall commercial solutions and how we’re utilizing these businesses and differentiating our solutions. On a go-forward basis, we have — when you look at our pipeline of opportunities, it’s pretty robust, and we’re working to continue now to execute that into backlog and ultimately, then the conversion of revenues going forward. So, I think it’s more short term based on what we’ve seen here with some of the adjustments in the market, but we’re confident that with the pipeline we have, we’re going to be positioned to be able to continue to support the growth that we’re committing to.
Noah Kaye — Oppenheimer and Company — Analyst
OK, thanks. And I think I’d like to return to the why now question that was asked earlier, and maybe frame it slightly differently. Obviously, the U.S. market went through a tough year last year with volume trends.
But certainly, there’s some secular tailwinds as we look out in the next couple of years, refrigerant transition, ongoing price mix benefits, easier comps. And then you have the transition, both in North America and globally toward heat pumps. So, there seem to be some positive prospects, both North America and globally for residential. And at the same time, there’s, I think, overarching concern from any investors around non-res, light commercial weakness.
And so, I guess in that context, why now is a particularly acute question because I think from a cycle perspective, the market doesn’t necessarily see the same trends ahead that would seem to inform this decision. So, maybe kind of talk to us about why this makes sense for you and why now?
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yes. So, as I said earlier, we’ve come through a very disruptive period, and there’s been significant progress that has been made across these businesses. And these businesses are positioned to perform. And so, as I said earlier, as you can appreciate, we’re constantly reviewing the portfolio and understanding how we manage the assets to be able to deliver value for our shareholders.
We’ve taken a very thoughtful approach to the strategy, and this has been continuous and making sure that we’re assessing all avenues on how we ultimately deliver value to our shareholders. And so, that’s what’s been playing out. I think tied to — as we think about our acceleration of becoming the leading comprehensive commercial solutions provider within commercial buildings, this is part of that path forward. And in line with — consistent with how we continue to update our shareholders, we’ll continue to provide those updates as we continue to make progress with these potential divestitures.
Noah Kaye — Oppenheimer and Company — Analyst
Appreciate the thoughtful answer. Thanks, George.
Operator
And our next question today comes from Joe Ritchie with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Joe Ritchie — Goldman Sachs — Analyst
Thanks. Good morning. Congratulations, Marc. And, Olivier, we’ll see you on the other side.
Olivier Leonetti — Chief Financial Officer
Thank you.
Joe Ritchie — Goldman Sachs — Analyst
The — let me just start with Asia because you referenced China a few times on your prepared comments. I’m just trying to understand like how much of the weakness that you saw this quarter was just the market deteriorating versus your own selectivity. And then as you kind of think about the next few quarters, should we be expecting material order declines to continue?
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
I’ll take that, Joe. Last year, when you look at where we were last year, we were working to recover our backlog from the second wave of COVID shutdowns in China. As the economic environment in China has slowed, we continue to make sure that we’re streamlined with our organization and aligning our resources to the market to be able to maximize what we believe is our entitlement. And then make sure that we’re executing with discipline to achieve what we see to be very strong life cycle value creation with our services.
This is what we played out in North America and which has been very successful for us. We do have a very healthy pipeline as we assess the market, which we are converting. We are anticipating a slower recovery of the backlog and ultimately, the projected revenue, which now has been pushed to the right. And so, those are the factors really updating our guidance here, Joe, but I’m confident that we have incredible product for the market, making sure we have the right go-to-market structure and then, ultimately, being able to execute on what we see still to be a very attractive market.
Joe Ritchie — Goldman Sachs — Analyst
OK. Thanks, George. And I know that you don’t want to provide a ton of specificity on what noncommercial means. Just maybe from my own edification and remembering the old Tyco assets, I mean, I think you still had some residential ADT international assets as well.
Just correct me if I’m wrong — if you don’t. And then also just a point of clarification. The light commercial business is showing at roughly 6% of sales. I think the last several quarters, we’ve been seeing it closer to 9%.
Did you guys shift a portion of the light commercial sales into applied? Just want to understand that a little bit, too.
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
When you look at the mix within our ducted business, which is mainly what drives our light commercial, is we’re up 40%. And like I said, in our ducted business, when you look at resi being down slightly and then commercial being very strong, our whole ducted business was up 10%. And so, this has been the differentiated product that we’ve been bringing into the market, getting — we’ve increased share, Joe, by — it’s been roughly about 300 basis points over the last year with the recovery of the commercial market. And we’ve invested in the capacity to be able to do so.
So, as far as — that is the core of our light commercial business, and we’ve been performing extremely well.
Joe Ritchie — Goldman Sachs — Analyst
So, was there a reclass because it’s showing like that business is lower as a percentage as your total sales than it was in the last few quarters?
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
It takes into account the VRF.
Marc Vandiepenbeeck — Incoming Chief Financial Officer
Joe, the difference is that the 9% is our fiscal ’22 sales in the prior year versus when we move forward. It’s now our fiscal ’23, now that, that year is final. It’s just a — it’s a math exercise.
Joe Ritchie — Goldman Sachs — Analyst
Yes. Actually, that math doesn’t really tie well, but I can follow up off-line. Thank you.
Operator
And our next question today comes from Andy Kaplowitz with Citigroup. Please go ahead.
Andy Kaplowitz — Citi — Analyst
Hey, good morning, everyone.
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Good morning.
Marc Vandiepenbeeck — Incoming Chief Financial Officer
Good morning.
Andy Kaplowitz — Citi — Analyst
Could you give us a little more color regarding your order cadence within building solutions and what you’re seeing? Obviously, most of the slowdown in orders as you said in Q1 was because of the slowdown in China. But did you see a dip in orders because of the cyber incident and then improvement? I think you changed your incentive comp structure for some of your salespeople as well in the quarter. So, a lot going on. How are you thinking about orders and backlog from here?
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
So, as we talked about, we did lose some momentum because of the cyber incident. And so, when you look at the sales conversion cycle, it did lengthen in the first quarter by about a week, a little bit better than a week. And so, when you look at our pipeline, continues to expand and does support the acceleration of orders in Q2 and through the remainder of the year, in line with what we were projecting prior to having the impact that we had. So, we’re very confident that with the pipeline, with the generation — pipeline generation and then our ability to be able to convert with the cycle times we convert with, we’re back to where we were.
And then that also being combined with our success in services and being able to continue to build strong pipelines for services, convert to PSAs, building backlog, and then ultimately, supporting our ability to get services, deliver high single-digit services for the year.
Andy Kaplowitz — Citi — Analyst
Thanks, George. And this question might be for Marc. I know you ran building solutions in EMEALA at least for a little while. So, obviously, those margins have continued to be challenging.
Can you give us more color into what is holding down that segment, projects ending there, and maybe better margin going forward? And then talk about the changes you began to institute and when they might have more impact on that segment.
Marc Vandiepenbeeck — Incoming Chief Financial Officer
Oh, great question. So, right away, when I took the role last year, we started to work on implementing our enterprise field operating model. That’s very similar to what we did in North America a few years ago. Johnson Controls operates in markets that are very sizable and complex, but that provides ample opportunity for us to grow.
But when you face large markets, it’s important to remain focused and disciplined on the subsegments of that markets that provide the right level of product capabilities, leverage our engineering talent, and our solutions. And we are looking for those subsegments of the market that provide the most value for both our customers and the company. As we continue to simplify, standardize, and I would say, rationalize that business, the operating model becomes easier to adopt in the field, in the regions, and the benefits of that model get amplified. We get a lot of leverage.
And that’s really what we’ve been focused on over the last six to eight months. There’s still work to be done, but I see great improvement in our book margin. And as we start seeing the benefit of that model and the actions we’ve taken, so I’m very confident that EMEALA will return to a comparable profit level that the other field segment are seeing.
Andy Kaplowitz — Citi — Analyst
Appreciate the color, guys.
Operator
And our next question today comes from Julian Mitchell with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Julian Mitchell — Barclays — Analyst
Hi, good morning. And thanks, Olivier, and congrats to Marc. Maybe just on Slide 9, the guidance for the sort of existing portfolio. So, you’re looking at sort of 4% organic sales growth, let’s say, for the year.
So, the second half is implied, up eight. How should we think about that plus eight, splitting between global products and then building solutions? And just trying to confirm, does that second-half growth guide of plus eight include growth in both U.S. resi HVAC and also China building solutions? Thank you.
Marc Vandiepenbeeck — Incoming Chief Financial Officer
Yes. So, thank you. So, as you look at the breakdown between our business solutions segments and global products, we see a recovery in growth in Asia Pac in the second half of the year. So, that will turn positive.
And as we continue to see the other segment, BS&A in North America and EMEALA continuing to clog at mid single digit, you can see the balance of those two offsetting and getting very strong single digits all the way to almost double digit in the second half of the year. That supports the growth you’re seeing on the slide. When it comes to global products, we continue to see an improvement in orders. As we said, we believe that Q2 is really the bottoming out and the stabilization of that business, and we see quite good momentum in the recovery into Q3 and accelerating into Q4, supporting that number you see on the slide.
Julian Mitchell — Barclays — Analyst
Got it. So, both GP and building solutions grow at a similar rate in the second half to each other?
Marc Vandiepenbeeck — Incoming Chief Financial Officer
That’s right.
Julian Mitchell — Barclays — Analyst
Thanks. And then just a second question. I understand you can’t talk too much about the portfolio. So, maybe thinking about some other items.
Just wanted, Marc, on the perspectives on sort of receivables factoring from here and what the approach will be in terms of does that factoring get unwound now because lead times are going back to normal? And pillar two has come in, so should we think about the medium-term tax rate moving up to the high teens? Thank you.
Marc Vandiepenbeeck — Incoming Chief Financial Officer
Yes. So, starting on that last question on tax rate. Obviously, there are some headwinds there with the good changes in the rate. We are continually assessing it, and we’ll continue to look at it.
But you’re right, there is a headwind longer-term on the rate. When it comes to factoring, we always look at different methods to finance the company. And as you said, when lead times got difficult, when inventory were a little bit more elevated than traditionally, factory became a logical avenue. And we will continue to review the most economical ways to finance the company.
We’ll make sure that we take appropriate action against that program to align it with the financial commitment we’ve made to you, both in terms of profitability and free cash flow conversion.
Operator
Thank you. And our next question today comes from Gautam Khanna with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.
Gautam Khanna — TD Cowen — Analyst
Hey, good morning guys.
Marc Vandiepenbeeck — Incoming Chief Financial Officer
Good morning.
Gautam Khanna — TD Cowen — Analyst
I was wondering if you could comment on pricing in the various verticals, what you’re seeing with respect to pricing power. And then I had a follow-up.
Marc Vandiepenbeeck — Incoming Chief Financial Officer
Yes. As part of that simplification of our business model, one benefit that comes in, we have more clarity on our cost accumulation and our ability to drive price, focusing the businesses, particularly of business solutions segments, toward better vertical and better product lines and solution. We are able to drive more price to the market than we have been historically, chasing less the segments of the market where competitiveness but also value is hard to sell to the end customer. So, as part of our building solutions operating system, you can see a great improvement, both on the price we can command in the market but also the price realization we see in our backlog and our executed margin.
When it comes to global products, we’ve always tried to shy away from the more commoditized part of the market. For the parts where we actually have differentiated product, we see tremendous momentum both on pricing, but as well as the margin that comes on the back end of that particularly thinking about our applied HVAC businesses that have been operating at very strong margin over the last few months and continue to see quite good momentum from a price cost standpoint.
Gautam Khanna — TD Cowen — Analyst
And could you expand that commentary on the resi market as well? Are you still able to get price? Is there any pushback? Are you seeing any evidence of trade downs or movement to repair versus replace and the like? Thanks.
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
No. As we’ve said previously, we’ve continued to lead pricing, making sure that with all of the reinvestments that have been made to support these regulatory changes, that we’re positioned to be able to get the proper price, and that continues. And so, in spite of us being maybe not one of the top players, we’ve been very disciplined relative to how we’re creating the value proposition and ultimately, how we’re pricing in the market.
Gautam Khanna — TD Cowen — Analyst
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. And our next question today comes from Chris Snyder at UBS. Please go ahead.
Chris Snyder — UBS — Analyst
Thank you. So, for revenue, you guys are guiding March up about 10% sequentially, which is a good deal stronger than the typical mid single-digit ramp that we’ve seen in most years. Maybe, can you just talk about the drivers of this, the sharp increase into the March quarter? I understand there’s a couple of points of cybersecurity catch-up, but it sounds like GP maybe has yet to stabilize. I think you said it troughs in the March quarter, so I would expect some headwinds there still remain.
Thank you.
Marc Vandiepenbeeck — Incoming Chief Financial Officer
Yes. It’s coming, and I think you mentioned it in your question. There’s some return to normal seasonality versus the prior year. As we were flowing through the backlog, you can see that seasonality picking up, and that’s lifting us a couple of points.
But you’re absolutely right. The cyber disruption and the loss of momentum it had created in the quarter, there were very few orders that were lost, but the cycle time of our commercial team expanded as we were going through the quarter. And that created a challenge in the first quarter that now provides tailwind from a growth standpoint in the second quarter.
Chris Snyder — UBS — Analyst
And was it one — I know you guys called out one point in the December quarter, if I remember correct. Was it one point again from cyber in the March quarter?
Marc Vandiepenbeeck — Incoming Chief Financial Officer
I don’t believe we were that prescriptive, to be honest with you. It’s really hard to measure with precision, how much was cyber versus the markets at the time. But I think if you look at the momentum we’ve built now in Q2, I would tell you, it’s a few points of benefit that we are seeing.
Chris Snyder — UBS — Analyst
Got it, thank you. And then for my follow-up, on global products, you guys talked about seeing stabilization. Can you maybe talk about the respective product lines within that, but being resi, light commercial, and fire and security, are they all showing stabilization? Are any leading, any lagging on that normalcy? Thank you.
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
When you look at our — the global products and more of the transactional businesses book-to-bill, we went through a significant inventory adjustment last year in the channel. When you look at our order rates now coming in and now what we’re projecting in revenue, we’re seeing that positive across the board. Again, in the ducted business, resi still is down — still down about 20%, with price, we’re down single digits. That will continue to improve as we go through the year.
But beyond that, across the board, we’re seeing very strong orders in line with what we’re projecting for revenue as we go forward.
Chris Snyder — UBS — Analyst
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. And our next question comes from the Nicole DeBlase with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Nicole DeBlase — Deutsche Bank — Analyst
Yeah, thanks, good morning, guys.
Marc Vandiepenbeeck — Incoming Chief Financial Officer
Good morning, Nicole.
Nicole DeBlase — Deutsche Bank — Analyst
So, we’ve covered a lot of ground here. I guess the last thing I just wanted to ask about is, I’ll just keep it to one question, is you guys gave guidance and reported earnings, obviously, pretty late in the fourth quarter with only a couple of weeks to go. So, how did China take you by such a surprise where we’re only a month later and we have to cut guidance by $0.05? Thank you.
Marc Vandiepenbeeck — Incoming Chief Financial Officer
Yes. The disruption that came from the cyber incidents also slowed down the pace at which data flows through the organization. And as I mentioned in the opening remarks, we had factored a fairly cautious outlook on China. But our ability to really pin down exactly the impact it was actually going to have in the quarter, current quarter and following quarter, as we all know about six weeks smarter and more educated about the challenge, and that outlook has worked on further.
We discussed it in a prior question, it’s a combination of the market condition and us being more selective in the type of deal and the type of transaction we decide to pursue.
Operator
Thank you. And our next question comes from Joe O’Dea with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Joe O’Dea — Wells Fargo Securities — Analyst
Hi, good morning. In your reference to simplifying and standardizing costs across the portfolio, I think you’ve been on some kind of notable cost out as it relates to both COGS and SG&A. Is this sort of setting up for the next chapter, or can you talk a little bit about where you see the biggest opportunities on simplifying some of the cost structure and any sizing of those opportunities?
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yes, so let me reflect on that. I mean, we’ve been through a major transformation, taking a set of businesses that were a lot of — a lot of variation in the fundamentals within the operating system. We now have standardized that across the board. That has allowed us to become much more efficient, reducing layers and, ultimately, the cost that is required to support the business.
As we continue now, so it’s a twofold not only standardizing the processes but then with automation and IT supporting those processes with good data, that is all accelerated within the company, which has allowed us to be able to now capitalize on more simplification. That’s one element. And then from a selling standpoint, as we then standardize our operating system around commercial, we’ve also been able to align our commercial resources in line with the market with the segmentation that we’re driving to be able to drive our growth. And we’re seeing a significant pickup there also.
So it’s really across the board on all of our cost elements, in line with being much more simple, much more standard, and more agile in how we now pursue growth.
Joe O’Dea — Wells Fargo Securities — Analyst
And then could you talk about service order trends by region when we look at EMEALA, the last couple of quarters, we’re looking at low double-digit, mid teens type of growth in service orders in each of those quarters, whereas in North America, we’ve been seeing low single digit. So, what are you seeing in terms of sort of differences in terms of those growth rates, demand trends on the service order side in field?
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yes. Let me just touch upon the fundamentals, and Marc can talk a little bit about the orders. The fundamentals here, we’re increasing our attach rates and now we’re up to mid to upper 40 percentile. We’re getting a more — a higher percentage of our installed base served.
This year, we’re going to be able to expand our connected assets by well over 10,000. We’re going to be able to get PSA growth longer-term services up over 20%. And then when you look at the way that we’re connecting our services, we’re getting much lower attrition rates. That all now is playing out and positioning us for a strong high single-digit service growth again this year.
On the order rates, as we look at any one of those elements, we’re consistently driving that strategy across all three regions. So, Marc, maybe you want to comment?
Marc Vandiepenbeeck — Incoming Chief Financial Officer
Yes, commenting on the three regions. So, North America is our largest service business and was also unfortunately the most impacted by the cyber disruption. So, that’s why you see a little bit of softness in Q1. It’s a very transactional business, day-to-day business that has a lot of automation and reliance on our system to be able to order — book orders and execute that revenue rapidly.
The fundamentals of that business hasn’t changed, and I think the recovery is coming in the balance of the year, and we are seeing, now in the second quarter, a really strong pickup in that business. If you look at EMEALA and Asia, touching on EMEALA first, those are mature businesses but at a different part of the cycle when it comes to growth. There’s enormous amount of opportunity in getting after our install base and continuously maturing our business model similarly to what we’ve done in North America to really drive long-term, double-digit growth in those service business. And in Asia Pacific, particularly in China, part of our refocus on the market is really focusing on those subsegments of the market, where we see a strong long-term service profile for our business in order for us to really maximize the whole life cycle of those opportunities.
Joe O’Dea — Wells Fargo Securities — Analyst
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. And our next question today comes from Deane Dray at RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Deane Dray — RBC Capital Markets — Analyst
Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Just a quick question from me, please. Regarding the potential or expected divestitures, a separation of resi, what would that do to RemainCo in terms of free cash flow potential, just maybe down to the level of working capital? Does that change your ability to hit this target of 100% free cash flow conversion?
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yes. Not at all, Deane. I mean, we’ve been working on our free cash flow and the fundamentals of that across both the building solutions to be able to get more billing upfront and more in line with revenue, and then in our global products business have significantly improved, not only the inventory, but also our ability to be able to collect. So, as far as the commitment to our free cash flow target, we’re going to be well positioned to be able to deliver on that target.
Operator
Thank you. And, ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I’d like to turn the conference back over to George Oliver for any closing remarks.
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah. Just to wrap up, as we’ve discussed here today, we’ve been on a transformation journey for a number of years and have made incredible progress and have had many successes. While we’re building strong fundamentals, we’re also better leveraging our people and portfolio and ultimately, serving our customers in a better way. We’re very confident we’ve built a very robust operating system across the portfolio and are going to be well positioned to deliver for our shareholders.
And I do look forward to updating all of you as we continue to make progress. So, with that, operator, that concludes our call.
Operator
[Operator signoff]
Duration: 0 minutes
Call participants:
Jim Lucas — Vice President, Investor Relations
George Oliver — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Olivier Leonetti — Chief Financial Officer
Marc Vandiepenbeeck — Incoming Chief Financial Officer
Scott Davis — Melius Research — Analyst
Steve Tusa — JPMorgan Chase and Company — Analyst
Jeff Sprague — Vertical Research Partners — Analyst
Nigel Coe — Wolfe Research — Analyst
Noah Kaye — Oppenheimer and Company — Analyst
Joe Ritchie — Goldman Sachs — Analyst
Andy Kaplowitz — Citi — Analyst
Julian Mitchell — Barclays — Analyst
Gautam Khanna — TD Cowen — Analyst
Chris Snyder — UBS — Analyst
Nicole DeBlase — Deutsche Bank — Analyst
Joe O’Dea — Wells Fargo Securities — Analyst
Deane Dray — RBC Capital Markets — Analyst
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Tremor International (TRMR 2.55%)
Q3 2023 Earnings Call
Nov 22, 2023, 9:00 a.m. ET
Contents:
- Prepared Remarks
- Questions and Answers
- Call Participants
Prepared Remarks:
Operator
Welcome to Tremor International’s conference call for the three and nine months ended September 30, 2023. [Operator instructions] This conference call is being recorded, and a replay of today’s call will be made available on the Investor Relations section of Tremor’s website. I will now hand the call over to Billy Eckert, vice president of investor relations for introductions and the reading of the safe harbor statement. Billy, please go ahead.
Billy Eckert — Vice President, Investor Relations
Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Tremor International’s financial and operating results call for the three and nine months ended September 30, 2023. With us on today’s call are Ofer Druker, Tremor’s chief executive officer; and Sagi Niri, the company’s chief financial officer. This morning, we issued a press release, which you can access on our IR website at investors.tremorinternational.com.
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All forward-looking statements are based on information available to us as of the date of this call. These statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and other factors that may cause our actual results to differ materially from those implied by these forward-looking statements, including unexpected changes in our business or unexpected changes in macroeconomic or industry conditions. More detailed information about these risk factors and additional risk factors are set forth in our filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, including, but not limited to, those risks and uncertainties listed in the section entitled Risk Factors in our most recent annual report on Form 20-F.
Tremor does not intend to update or alter its forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required by law. Additionally, the company’s press release and management statements during this conference call will include discussions of certain measures and financial information in IFRS and non-IFRS terms. We refer you to the company’s press release for additional details, including definitions of non-IFRS items and reconciliation of IFRS to non-IFRS results. At this time, it is my pleasure to introduce Ofer Druker, CEO of Tremor International.
Ofer, please go ahead.
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
Thank you, Billy, and welcome to everyone joining us today. I will begin by providing an overview of our results and strategic initiatives, then we’ll hand the call over to our CFO, Sagi Niri, to discuss our financials. We will then open the call for questions. Please note, results for the three and nine months ended September 30, 2023, reflects the combined performance of Tremor International and Amobee, while results from the same prior year period include Amobee contribution from September 12, 2022, through September 30, 2022.
I would like to start today’s call by thanking everyone who has reached out and extended their thoughts, prayers, and sympathies following the October 7 terrorist attack on Israel, where our company is headquartered and where many of our employees and their families goes home. Your support means a lot to us and is greatly appreciated. While Tremor International is a global ad tech company, we generate the vast majority of our contribution ex-TAC over 85% in the U.S., which is also where the overwhelmingly largest base of our employee sit. Despite the conflict weighing heavy on our thoughts and despite certain Israel-based team members being called to active duty, we are doing our best to keep our business activities and operation relatively unaffected by the situation.
We commend the bravery of our active-duty employees in service to their country and intend to honor them by working out to continue providing best-in-class service and solutions to our customers and partners in their absence and supporting them and their families in every way we can. With the holistic integration of Amobee, which emphasize bringing its valuable employees, customers, and technology into our company, and the additional rebrand to Nexxen behind us. In Q3, we focused primarily on scanning mid- to long-term revenue-generating initiatives and increasing engagement and awareness with advertisers and publishers, particularly through a demonstration of our new and recently enhanced capabilities. During the quarter, we deepened the relationship with existing customers and emphasized introducing our capabilities and submissions to new potential partners and bolstering our sales and marketing teams to position us for accelerated growth within our core strategic drivers: PTV, video, and data.
The rebrand to Nexxen, while still is in early stages, has improved our positioning by simplifying our story and value proposition for customers and prospects, enabling our sales teams to seamlessly package several solutions, and create a pathway to expand the sustained revenue per account growth to increase cross selling opportunities. We also believe we have further amplified the power of our rebrand by recently installing a new Chief Marketing Officer with a strong product marketing background, who joined us from one of our closest AdTech team. We feel the experience and expertise in product marketing, he brings to our organization is a perfect fit and comes at the right time to expand on our groundwork initially relayed by the rebrand. We believe we have built one of the most comprehensive platforms in all of AdTech for our customers across the ecosystem, which include major advertisers, agencies, and media partners.
And now we feel our marketing efforts need to generate further momentum with customers and prospects to complement and better highlight the strength of our technology and data product suite. While it’s definitely a work in progress, we believe we are now better positioned to highlight the unique holistic value of our unified platform. Our main goal now is to showcase our partners can leverage our platforms, multiply offerings to simplify activation efforts through advanced data-driven targeting and measurement solutions, and achieve their goals to a media platform that enable them to maximize the value of their first-party data, all while realizing significant cost benefits only possible through partnering with a holistic platform like ours. The next step in enhancing our market position through our rebrand is to change the name of the parent company from Tremor International to Nexxen International, which shareholders will vote on our AGM in December.
Assuming the vote passes, our intent is to trade under the new company name shortly thereafter and to change the stock ticker in both markets from TRMR to NEXN. We do not currently anticipate any changes to our ordinary share or ADR structure in connection with the name or ticket changes. In addition to recently enhancing our marketing efforts and sales positioning, the successful integration of Amobee has significantly boosted our tech and data capabilities, particularly through enhanced DSP and TV planning features, and enable the creation and addition of powerful solutions, we believe are pivotal for driving enhanced relevancy, efficiency, and better returns for our customers. We believe Amobee has already added a tremendous amount of value on this front and uniquely differentiated us while positioning us strongly for success in the future of TV advertising ecosystem.
Over the past few months, we have seen dramatic increase in the level and frequency of conversation about linear shifting toward and converging with digital. It’s clear to us that the major players in the advertiser industry understands this is an important, rapidly evolving trend and reality they need to address. We believe capital technology partners like us with robust cross-platform capabilities are best positioned to help them achieve continued success, converting linear budget into digital. It’s a long adoption process.
However, we believe we have unique products that fulfill the needs of the major players that advertise across linear TV and that already go in to utilize CTV or plan to do so in the near future. Now it’s time to market the product and create a solid base of partnership that will fuel our future CTV growth as we become more active in assisting with the conversion between linear and digital. We believe Nexxen has a critical advantage on this front and is well-positioned for these developments, specifically through the first two market cross-platform planner, we launched in April. The cross-platform planner creation was made possible by the linear planning tools we gained through Amobee that were developed for years prior to the acquisition.
The solution enables customers to holistically plan campaigns across linear and CTV and also allocate budgets between formats within the push of a button. The planner has already driven early adoption by major industry partners, including A&E Networks, FOX, and TelevisaUnivision, and we expect others to follow suit over time. The solution is providing us a strong foundation for opening significant partnership discussions, and we believe we experienced strong growth related to this tool over the intermediate and long term. We will continue to work tirelessly on further integration of this solution into new and current partnerships, as we are confident it reflects a strong potential future growth driver for the business that can deliver significant value by attracting new customers and enticing existing customers to increase spending on our platform.
For our customers, success is often a byproduct of efficiently and effectively ensuring the messaging reaches the widest and most likely to buy audience on the right trees at the right time. However, the foreign campaign is activated to existing, successful with customers finding, and understanding the audience by having a grasp on what content their targets are consuming as this is a strong indicator of trends they are following, interest they have, and future purchasing behavior. Nexxen discovery, our data-fueled B.I. tool, also gained through the Amobee acquisition, optimize these efforts by enhancing audience insights and has been generating immense interest with prospective customers and partners in essentially every demo and across a wide range of use cases.
Customers leveraging the solution are able to integrate powerful audience consumption data and trends from across the web, social media, and TV into their planning efforts to then activate in campaigns through our DSP, providing a seamless and frictionless experience. Customers that previously had to leverage several partners for audience discovery, cross-screen planning, activation, and measurement are finding that working with a single partner that can do it all, including offering TV data unavailable anywhere else, reflects an obvious value proposition for the simplicity, efficiency, and increased returns it enables. We also believe Nexxen discovery will be instrumental and provide significant value for customers seeking solution in its banks and around the 2024 U.S. election cycle, thanks to its segmentation capabilities, a valuable audience insights, which can provide unique feedback for partners that choose to leverage it.
The addition of tools like Nexxen Discovery into our platform also highlights a notable and growing opportunity for us to deepen relationships and expand revenue footprint with customers. HML is a great example for this agency to adapt more solution with us, including Nexxen discovery, VIDAA ACR data, and our cross-channel planning technology after their successful collaboration with NEXN DSP. As our recently added products, rebrand and enhanced marketing efforts continue to gain traction. We anticipate generating similar success stories with partners expand adoption behind the single product to take greater advantage of our broader ecosystem.
Overall, the Amobee acquisition added a complementary and highly synergistic features that we believe, when combined with our pre-existing capabilities, has resulted in one of the most comprehensive and data-rich platform in all of FX. FX is built to help customers meet and exceed their video and CTV advertising group. We feel we are now unmatched in our ability to assist customers on both sides of the ecosystem across the entire workflow from audience discovery through measurement and cross formats, including linear and CTV to one unified platform with endless possibility. We are also incredibly excited to share that we have recently begun the process of accelerating monetization related to our exclusive global access to VIDAA ACR data gained through our investment in VIDAA.
As a reminder, VIDAA is a fast-growing CTV operating system and subsidiary of Hisense. We have already been monetizing VIDAA’s ACR data in the U.S. for CTV targeting and measurement. However, we very recently also launched the data offering in the U.K., which we believe is unique and offers a significant value proposition for customers in the market given the size and scale of the growing audience which we have.
The offering launch in the U.K. is expected to start generating revenues in the current quarter. However, we believe revenue related to the U.K. launch will scale significantly in 2024, and that the offering will continue to generate revenues through the remainder of our [Inaudible] over the next several years.
We intend to launch the ACR data offering next in Australia during Q1 2024 and are excited for the benefit that we can enable for our customers there. As we also have a significant audience reach in that region. We believe the impending launch in Australia can also generate strong revenue opportunity for us in 2024 and beyond. It is clear to us that VIDAA global ACR data is becoming extremely attractive to advertisers, agencies, and targeting the measurement partners in major markets.
Our sales team has done a great job already generating interest within the industry for this scale and growing ACR data footprint, and we believe this key differentiator can bring truly significant revenues to the company over time through both new and existing customers. VIDAA ACR growth has been fueled by the ongoing expansion of its parent company, Hisense, which continued to grow its CTV shipment volume as the world’s fastest rent in Q2. According to Amedia, Hisense continues to rank second globally for TV shipment volume, holding roughly 14% global shipment volume share, while shipments increased 19.3% year over year. In Q2, Hisense expanded its global market share by 1.6% year over year, also reflecting the fastest expansion rate by any TV brand globally.
As demand for Hisense connected TV powered by VIDAA operating system continue to grow, driven by consumers desire for high-quality, low-cost smart TV options, we believe our company and its customers will increasingly benefit from our strategic investment in VIDAA. The trend of expanding our advertisers and supply partner base, while retaining major customers continued in Q3 and was driven by demand for our newly launched and recently enhanced product as well as our rebrand and sales and marketing team improvements. In Q3 2023, the company added 113 new actively expanding first-time advertisers customers at comes retail, travel, finance, and CPG verticals as well as others. This also included the addition of 11 new enterprise self-service advertiser customers highlighted by some of the world’s largest and most recognizable technology companies and apparel brands.
Over the first nine months of 2023, the company added 223 new actively spending first-time advertisers’ customer. Nexxen studio, formerly Tr.ly, continue to generate impressive growth among enterprise clients, leveraging the company creative services highlighted by 58% and 79% increase in demand for the three and nine months ended September 30, 2023, respectively. The company also added 109 new supply partners, including 100 in the U.S. during Q3 across several verticals and formats, including CTV, broadcast TV, and mobile, with notable recent momentum among mobile gaming publishers.
Over the first nine months of 2023, we added 283 new supply partners, of which 249 were U.S.-based. Our ability to expand revenue relationship and product adoption with customers attract new partners and generate continued momentum through our rebrand, talent enhancements, and enhanced suite of tech and data solutions contributed to notable growth in Q3. Despite challenging market conditions, driving continued cautiousness in the advertising spending environment, particularly in managed service, we generate contribution ex-TAC of $76.6 million in Q3 2023, which reflects year-over-year growth of 18%, compared to $64.9 million in Q3 2022. For the nine months ended September 30, 2023, we generated contribution ex-TAC of $223.7 million, which reflects 8% year-over-year growth, compared to $206.7 million in the same prior year period.
Contribution ex-TAC growth was largely attributable to significant growth in programmatic revenue as our core business benefited from increased demand for our programmatic solutions as well as the integration of Amobee, which features strong programmatic footprint. During Q3, we generated programmatic revenues of $74.2 million, which reflects 23% growth from $60.1 million in Q3 2022. For the nine months ended September 30, 2023, we generated programmatic revenues of $213 million, which reflects 18% growth from $179.9 million in the same prior year period. We believe the industry will further impress programmatic advertising over time to automate the purchase of video and CTV inventory and that we are still in the early innings of this long-term trend that we are heavily indexed and we are strategically prepared for.
We also continue to further strengthen our impressive talent base across all major focus areas of the company. As I mentioned earlier, we hired a new chief marketing officer, Ben Kaplan, who we are very excited about, and who bring significant and direct AdTech product marketing experience to our organization. Ben has led teams across major tech and media companies such as Meredith, Twitter, and most recently, PubMatic, and is already clear that his product marketing expertise will strongly complement our rebrand and be a great asset to our going forward. Additionally, as we scale our enterprise customer base following our recent DSP enhancement, we are excited to have Ariel Deitz as our new VP of enterprise sales, who comes to us from Amazon.
We also sealed several other sales vacancies, hiring the experienced FX sales veterans to enhance and expand our team in key metro areas like New York and Los Angeles. We believe we now have the right structure and team members in place to best showcase the value proposition of our comprehensive suite of offerings and that we are well-positioned to accelerate long-term growth and share gains through the combined strength of our people and platform. Finally, I’m pleased to report that our board intends to accrue the launch of a new $20 million ordinary shares repurchase program, pending approval from the Israeli court, which is expected in the new term. Assuming we have 10 court approvals, the new potential program will be financed through existing cash resources and would follow two previous programs in which we invested a combined $95 million in our Ordinary share repurchasing roughly 13% of shares outstanding.
Looking ahead, we believe investing in our business to drive growth as well as repurchasing our shares represent the best near-term capital allocation priorities to generate long-term shareholder value. Should shares remained at discount valuation level and if the company remains cash generative in the future, the board also indicated it will consider pursuing additional future share repurchase program after completing the impending potential 20 million ordinary share repurchase program and is willing to fix future approval from the Israeli court is required. The board is high confidence in the company’s future growth prospects and believe repurchasing shares at current level reflects a strong long-term investment opportunity for the company and its shareholders. As always, we will also continue to evaluate acquisition opportunities over the intermediate and long term, given our historical success integrating them to create value for our customers, business, and shareholders.
However, for now, we are confident in the strategic competitive positioning and breadth of our platform’s current offerings. With that, it’s my pleasure to turn the call to Sagi.
Sagi Niri — Chief Financial Officer
Thank you, Ofer. Today, I will review the highlights and key financial and operational drivers of our performance over the three and nine months ended September 30, 2023, and we’ll also discuss our forward-looking guidance. As a reminder, results for the three and nine months ended September 30, 2023, reflect the combined performance of Tremor International and Amobee. While results for the three and nine months ended September 1, 2022, include Amobee contribution only from September 12, 2022 through September 30, 2022.
For the three months ended September 30, 2023, we generated contribution ex-TAC of $76.6 million, reflecting 18% growth from $64.9 million in Q3 2022. For the nine months ended September 30, 2023, we generated contribution ex-TAC of $223.7 million, reflecting an increase of 8%, compared to $206.7 million in the same prior year period. Contribution ex-TAC growth over both periods was driven largely by a significant increase in programmatic revenue. We experienced strength in shopping and food verticals during Q3 2023 as well as in mobile desktop display and PMP.
Conversely, toughness was observed within our CPG vertical and within CTV as challenging market conditions drove reduced advertising demand and softness in managed service, particularly in July, causing customers to temporarily shift spending from CTV into lower-cost options such as desktop and mobile as well as display. While we believe conditions in the CTV advertising market has stabilized compared to July, we expect ongoing market uncertainties and managed service softness to constrain advertising badges and drive customers to continue to more so leverage our lower-cost solution through at least the end of 2023. Programmatic revenue for the three months ended September 30, 2023, was $74.2 million, which reflected a significant 23% increase, compared to $60.1 million in Q3 2022. For the nine months ended September 30, 2023, we generated programmatic revenue of $213 million, which reflected an 18% increase from $179.9 million in the same prior year period.
Programmatic revenue as a percentage of revenue increased dramatically to 93% in Q3 2023 and 90% for the nine months ended September 30, 2023, compared to 85% in Q3 2022; and 79% for the nine months ended September 30, 2022. The increase was driven by our strategic shift of sales resources and focus into this core business as well as the added programmatic footprint gained through Amobee. CTV revenue for Q3 2023 was $19.6 million, which reflected a decrease of 21% from $24.7 million in Q3 2022. As I mentioned, the year-over-year decrease in CTV revenue was largely driven by weakness earlier in Q3, particularly in July, as macro uncertainty drove managed service softness causing customers to temporarily shift spending from higher cost options like CTV into lower cost options like mobile and desktop as well as display.
To highlight this point, contribution ex-TAC from mobile increased 20% year over year. Contribution ex-TAC from Display increased 138% year over year, and contribution ex-TAC from desktop increased 38% year over year in Q3. While we are seeing our customers focus near-term spending and lower-cost options where we are still able to provide value-added solutions to assist them, we continue to expect CTV to remain a key center of investment and long-term growth driver for the company. We expect our recently enhanced week of premium CTV solutions will continue to drive Increased long-term future industry demand, particularly as macro headwinds and uncertainty inevitably is over time and as budget and spending expense.
For the nine months ended September 30, 2023, we generated CTV revenue of $65.6 million, which reflected a 2% increase from $64.1 million in the same prior year period. Video revenue continued to account for a majority of our programmatic revenue at 66% in Q3 2023 and 7% for the nine months ended September 30, 2023. Video revenue as a percentage of programmatic revenue was 93% for the three and nine months ended September 30, 2022. Year-over-year decreases in Q3 were attributable to the addition of Amobee, which had a historically stronger display revenue base.
Year-over-year decline in CTV revenue driven by challenging market conditions and significant year-over-year increases in programmatic revenue. Despite the short-term customer spending focus on lower-cost option outside of CTV, which we expect to shift over time as demand for our CTV solution increases and as market conditions improve, our impressive ability to increase contribution ex-TAC in Q3 and over the first nine months of 2023 despite a lack of significant growth in CTV, highlights the strength and durability of our diversified revenue model provides. It also further supports our belief that as market conditions improve and customers shift more aggressively into CTV advertising in the future that we are very well-positioned for outsized long-term market share gains given our robust capabilities and footprint and how heavily indexed we are to CTV. The new customer base added through Amobee, which has historically largely leveraged display solutions, provide a significant long-term growth runway to cross-sell our video and CTV capabilities and grow our overall video revenue footprint.
We strongly believe that our preexisting and newly launched solution will enable us to expand the base of customers gained through the Amobee acquisition, that leverage us for multiple video-centric solution in the future and also attract new video customers to our platform over time. During the three and nine months ended September 30, 2023, we generated $21.3 million and $51.2 million of adjusted EBITDA, respectively, which compares to $30.1 million and $108 million in the same prior year period. The year-over-year decrease in adjusted EBITDA were driven by the acquisition and the integration of Amobee, which was generating significant losses when we first acquired the company as well as a weaker comparative advertising demand environment earlier in 2023. We will continue to work toward further optimizing our cost structure and improving efficiencies to improve profitability.
We believe as we generate higher level of contribution ex-TAC, that the majority of increased contribution ex-TAC will flow through to adjusted EBITDA, given the strength of our operating model, which provides strong and increasing degree of operating leverage. For Q3 2023, we generated an adjusted EBITDA margin of 27% on a revenue basis and 28% on a contribution ex-TAC basis, which compares to 43% and 46%, respectively, during Q3 2022. For the nine months ended September 30, 2023, we generated an adjusted EBITDA margin of 22% on a revenue basis and 23% on a contribution ex-TAC basis, which compares to 47% and 52%, respectively, in the same prior year period. Turning to our cash flow.
We generated $13.1 million in net cash from operating activities during Q3 2023 and $17.1 million for the nine months ended September 30, 2023, after generating net cash from operating activities of $12.6 million during Q3 2022 and $59.1 million for the nine months ended September 30, 2022. During the nine months ended September 30, 2023, we incurred approximately $6 million in severance and retention bonus-related costs associated with the reorganization of Amobee employees into the Tremor International base. As of September 30, we had $98.9 million in net cash as well as $80 million undrawn on our revolving credit facility. We intend to leverage our considerable cash results for the ongoing needs of the business, investments in internal growth initiatives, and future potential share repurchase program in the near to intermediate term and to support other future potential intermediate and long-term strategic investment, initiatives, and acquisitions.
We also generated non-IFRS diluted earnings per ordinary share of $0.09 in Q3 2023 and $0.12 for the nine months ended September 30, 2023, versus non-IFRS diluted earnings per ordinary share of $0.11 in Q3 2022 and $0.44 for the nine months ended September 30, 2022. Finally, I’ll now turn to our outlook. While we’ve seen evidence of end market stabilization, particularly since July, we are also seeing signs that the recovery will remain uneven and that ongoing macroeconomic headwinds and uncertainty will lead advertising demand and budget, drive continued managed service softness, and cause our customers to continue to focus near-term spending on our lower-cost solution such as display, through at least the remainder of 2023. As a result, for full-year 2023, we now expect contribution ex-TAC in the range of approximately $310 million to $315 million and adjusted EBITDA in the range of approximately $80 million to $85 million and continue to anticipate that programmatic revenue will reflect approximately 90% of our full-year 2023 revenue.
We continue to believe that the combination of our durable business model and diversified revenue stream, focus on core strategic growth drivers, enhanced ability to drive multi-solution enterprise deals, greater stability following the completed integration of Amobee and growing demand for our programmatic solutions, and recently added products will strongly position the company for outside future market share gains, contribution ex-TAC growth and improved profitability; particularly as CTV advertising demand conditions improve and as our rebrand and recently strengthened sales and marketing teams continue to gain farther traction. With my remarks completed, I’ll turn the call back to Ofer.
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
Thank you, Sagi. With Amobee’s team members and technology successfully integrated into our business, we believe we are developed and now boast one of the most comprehensive TV and video-focused platforms in the market — differentiated by unmatched data power solutions that enable better outcomes and greater efficiency for customers across the entire advertising value chain. The integration of Amobee further accelerated our product innovation leadership role and enable us to launch both after and desperately needed solutions that we believe will deepen our relationship with customers, attract new customers, and further position us as a trusted industry partners and leaders in the combined future CTV and TV advertising ecosystem. Moving forward, the core focus will now be to build on the initial success and momentum generated through our rebrand by ensuring our marketing and sales efforts strongly complement and best emphasized the strength of our platform.
We have confidence we made important steps on this front that will better position us for 2024 and beyond. We believe the combination of our rebrand alongside our strengthened sales and marketing organization positions us much more strongly to showcase how our current and future customers can best leverage on data field platform to meet and exceed their advertising goals in KPI. We also believe we will be able to achieve outsized future share gains, growth contribution ex-TAC, and improved profitability over time, particularly as market conditions improved, and as customers continue to embrace and grow spending within our data-driven suite of programmatic CTV and video solutions. We have many reasons to be excited and look forward to continuing to provide best-in-class service and solutions to our customers and partners.
I would like to thank all of our employees and shareholders for their continued support. And operator, we will now take questions.
Questions & Answers:
Operator
Thank you. [Operator instructions] Our first question comes from Matt Swanson with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Matt Swanson — RBC Capital Markets — Analyst
Yeah. Thank you for taking the questions and I would like to extend my thoughts and prayers to you and your employees impacted by the war in Israel. But maybe starting with U.S. again kind of where you left off on the comments looking at the guidance.
Thinking about the macro environment you’ve seen in October and then November to date. Can you just kind of help us think about what your guidance implies for the end of November, December? And basically, like are you thinking of the macro getting better, stabilizing kind of like you’ve seen or getting worse within that context?
Sagi Niri — Chief Financial Officer
Thank you, Matt. Yes, I think, as I said, we are seeing like in October, November, December already coming. We are seeing stabilization in the macro. Of course, it’s not as it’s been before, before the macro challenges and headwinds to all of us.
I think the guidance that we gave is like cautious and conservative. We have a lot of different deals that are being handled as we are talking. But since we are not sure everything is going to hit our revenues by the end of the year and maybe some will move into 2024, we are trying to be cautious as we can.
Matt Swanson — RBC Capital Markets — Analyst
Yes. That’s helpful color. And then maybe this is for Ofer and Sagi. The strategic gains we’ve been talking about, especially the cross-platform planner and then Nexxen Discovery sounds exciting and seeing some more traction from the ATR data, it’s obviously kind of getting offset a little bit by the macro currently.
So could you just maybe give us a little more color on the CTV market specifically about what’s kind of giving you confidence that you are making the strategic gains even though the macro is kind of impacting some of the top-line results from that?
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
Of course. Thank you, Matt, and thank you also for your support. When we are looking at the CTV market in general, we are in this business for all in already for five years. And we invested two years ago [Inaudible].
Now it’s operational in the U.S. and also in U.K. Next quarter, we are going to push it also to Australia, and then we will probably announce more markets that we are going to launch our ACF solution. And I think this is like, of course, all our initiatives, including the cross-platform is being shed a little bit by the macroeconomic situation because people are spending less on CPD, which is more expensive format and they are, as Sagi indicated, people are moving more of their attention to more performance-oriented formats like display, mobile and so on.
But in general, when you look at the ecosystem, we have some luck that we are the last that are basically reporting so we can hear the rest of the peers talking about it. But many people spoke about the conversion between linear and digital PTV basically. And we are, I think, the most ready around that. Why? Because basically, through the acquisition of Amobee that we made a year ago, a little bit more than a year ago, we basically acquired Videology that has like a very strong linear planning tools, one of a client in the industry.
And we added today the cross-platform solution that we basically launched in April was already integrated and used by a few of the biggest broadcasters and now we are moving the attention also to the demand side for that. And I think that linear advertisers in general, they understand now that in order to reach their audience, they need to also expand and to reach digital and CTV in order to reach their audiences because linear shrunk basically, it will continue to shrink probably in the next couple of years, so they need to do that. The only platform that is ready as a cross-platform platform is ours today in the market. And I believe that when the macroeconomics will change, the adoption of this platform, the usage of the platform will grow together with our readiness that is early next year to offer it to demand side partners that will be able basically to use it and also to use basically our PTV marketplaces in order to use — to create the user extension as they needed.
So I totally agree with you. I think that macroeconomic conditions are not great for the flourishing of CTV basically. But I think that when you’re looking at midterm and long term, we build the capabilities around targeting and measurement through the ACR data that we got. We got the cross planning solution, and we have all the tools that we developed before that.
And in general, I think that we are able to offer a very comprehensive solution to people that are using CTV or linear advertisers that want to expand or need to expend to CTV, I think that we are there. And hopefully, when the market condition will be better, people will be able to see that in full scale our capabilities, and we will enjoy from the growth that is associated with that. I hope that I answered your question.
Matt Swanson — RBC Capital Markets — Analyst
Yeah. That was great. Thank you.
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Laura Martin with Needham. Please go ahead.
Laura Martin — Needham and Company — Analyst
Hi. Can you hear me OK, guys?
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
Hi, Laura.
Laura Martin — Needham and Company — Analyst
Great. Hi there. OK. So I want to focus on partnerships.
You brought up partnerships a couple of times over, but I noticed you’re positioning the Israeli courts to buy another $20 million of shares and you just finished by $95 million of shares. So typically, partnerships bring money with them, which obviously you don’t need or you wouldn’t be buying shares. So can you talk about what you’re looking for from your partnerships you’re talking about?
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
So I don’t think that we are talking about partnership that’s supposed to bring us money. We are looking at partnership that can give us capabilities or reach to market and stuff like that. We are, of course, cash-generated company, and we have net cash of close to $100 million. So we are not looking for partnerships that will give us that.
We’re not looking for investment. We are generating cash, and we are cash positive. We are buying shares because for two reasons. First of all, we already fulfill a lot of our ambitions around acquisitions in the past few years.
The last acquisition was last year that we acquired Amobee, a massive company with a lot of capabilities that are added into our tech now and all the companies basically integrated into our company is a huge effort, and it came after additional three acquisitions that we’ve done in the last four years. So we are not looking now for additional acquisitions in the near future, in general. And when you have cash like we do, and we generate cash, we think that according to the share price that we are witnessing now, it makes sense for us to repurchase our shares in order to basically support the shareholders and potential investors that will come to the company. And this is the best usage of cash as we see that right now.
Sagi Niri — Chief Financial Officer
It’s the best investment we are seeing outside now.
Laura Martin — Needham and Company — Analyst
But the capabilities you’re looking for in partnerships are more new products or add-on platforms or like what you did with VIDAA?
Sagi Niri — Chief Financial Officer
So we have — of course, the partnership is a wide definition. But we are, for example, the partnership with VIDAA gave us the ACR data, a gave us media on CTV, giving us a lot of access to data that we need in different markets and so on. But we have a lot of partnerships that we are holding with measurement companies, with data companies, with media companies. So it’s a very wide definition.
Usually, we are doing that in order to create in integration with partnerships that are adding on complementary to our capability or they can use our technology in order to gain their targets. But that’s in general. And we always look for good partners that can grow together in our business.
Laura Martin — Needham and Company — Analyst
OK. Super helpful. And then can you — I think Google is finally going to deprecate cookies after pushing it off four times. Can you remind us how much of your ad targeting comes from cookies and how you guys are positioned over 2021 as Google finally starts deprecating cookies started in Q1 of ’24.
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
So we have, of course, our graph. We have, of course, the fact that we are end-to-end solution is reducing the dependency on the usage of cookies, of course, the fact that we are heavy on CTV also reduced this equity dependency. So I think that in general, we are getting ready for that. And I think that in general, the fact that we are an [Inaudible] solution will give us even advantage if it will happen because of the fact that we are sitting on both sides and we can basically create the match even without the cookie in most cases.
So I think that we are in a very good position on that front.
Laura Martin — Needham and Company — Analyst
OK. And your comment followed by Matt’s question earlier, you’re flying for a dramatic deceleration in Q4, and we’re already sitting here six weeks into the quarter. And your ex-TAC revenue has been accelerating in every quarter to date, like really nice growth in the third quarter. So congratulations on that.
But you’re showing negative year-over-year growth in your guidance for Q4. So I just wanted to push on that a little bit and find out what you’ve seen in the first six weeks of this quarter that is so decelerated like what verticals specifically have so decelerated from that wonderful Q3, 18% revenue growth rate?
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
So I think that, Laura, again, the fact that we are coming great with our growth is helping us to look at other people and what they are seeing and thinking. I think that there is a lot of instability in the market. So people are feeling that — the advertisers are more cautious about their spending. Sometimes they are creating orders and then delaying them or minimizing them and so on.
So I think that the macro is still affecting us, and we want to be on the conservative side of that matter. The second thing is we have a lot of partnerships and agreements that we are doing with companies that’s supposed to use our services but we feel that we are taking the opportunity, we are taking into account the possibility that it will flip into Q1 instead of happening this quarter. So we are trying to be cautious around our guidance. But I think that the major thing is the macroeconomic that is a little bit better than the beginning or the middle of the year, but it’s still not great in Q4.
And you see the accident of the advertisers and their cautiousness about investing the money right now in advertising the equity.
Laura Martin — Needham and Company — Analyst
Thank you very much.
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Andrew Marok with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Andrew Marok — Raymond James — Analyst
Great. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to dig in a little bit on your recent leadership hires in the sales and marketing organization. Just any color you can provide there on any potential changes in strategy, how your incoming leadership tends to think about the overall sales and marketing strategy, if that differs from what you have now?
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
Of course. Thank you for this question. So I will start with marketing, if you don’t mind. Well, when we are looking at what we did in the past year or so, we basically took a very big company like Amobee, and we integrated it into Tremor.
Just to give you a little bit of scale, Amobee was one and a half times in size than Tremor in general, with a lot of technology that was developed and acquired over like 10 years or so. So when we connected everything together, we took the best of every solution, and we sunset some of our solutions we sold. And we had a lot of brands that we were using, like we were using Tremor, Unruly, and Amobee and so on. So we basically rebranded, but it’s not enough to rebrand.
You need to do a lot of work about your offering in the market to make it more simple to the salespeople and to the market to understand what you are offering. So we look for a CMO that will have a very strong product marketing experience that will be able to help us to connect the doors, explain it in a meaningful manner to the market. So it will make the story simple and also for the sales people to compare and understand it very easier and to be offering without confusing the clients or using so many names like we used before. So that’s a massive change that we’ve done.
The rebrands hiring this CMO ban that is standing with a lot of experience in product marketing because I think that the rest of the marketing we are doing very well. But on the product and sales enablement side, we wanted to bring someone that can take us to the next level. And I think that we found the right person to do that, and we, of course, trusting to lead us to this path. On the sales side, when we are looking at the sales side, One of the reasons that we acquired Amobee was the strong enterprise solution that was there.
They developed that over many, many years. And to build an enterprise solution sounds easy, not because you have a lot of layers to that, which is also coming with a lot of professional people that knows how to support the clients, how to explain to them how to use it, to guiding, to training, to give them a lot of ecosystem around the DSP itself in order to support its day-to-day work. Basically, to offer this enterprise solution is a different sale than to sell managed solution. And we wanted to take this — we took basically the DSP of Amobee integrated as our main DSP with our capabilities, but we wanted to keep the enterprise solution, of course, alive and kicking, and we’re hiring now people that will be able to sell it in the market.
That’s why we are bringing new people also to the enterprise side that will be able to offer this to new clients, to agencies to dependent agencies, to brands that are looking for a solution. And I feel that it’s important because the sale of an enterprise solution is a little bit different from selling basically managed solution or PMP and so on. It’s a longer process. It’s a different.
You are talking to different people in the organization and you need people that have an experience in doing that, and this is exactly what we are doing now.
Andrew Marok — Raymond James — Analyst
Got it. Thank you for that. And then one more on the macro, I’m afraid. So in terms of customers seeking kind of lower-priced formats, like one thing that we’ve heard kind of across the space this quarter is that CPMs on non-CTV video are coming down.
And so if there is a flight to like discounted inventory or lower-priced inventory, I may have expected non-CTV video to be a little bit stronger for you guys. Is there anything else at play there? Or is it really just customers are seeking the lowest CPMs on an absolute basis, which is driving more strength in mobile and desktop?
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
I think it’s a combination of two things. First of all, it’s what you said is to buy cheaper CPM basically. But the second thing is also performance metrics. And I think that still, we spoke about it in several of our earnings calls in the past that we believe that CTV will become a performance also platform-oriented format, but it will take some time.
So I think that right now, when people are looking for performance in this macroeconomic situation, they are basically looking for mostly for a different solution and different formats than CTV, which is they have more track record of proving that generous performance, which is display, OLV, mobile and so on and less TV. But we feel that, of course, when the macroeconomics will improve again, I think that people will shift again their attention to CTV, that’s one. And I think that this is important also to remember that some of the key verticals that we’re doing with CTV like automotive, entertainment, and so on, we are not in great shape in the last 6 months, some of them with strikes and slowdown. So we feel that it’s also influenced a little bit the market of the CTV in general, even for the people that are willing to pay ICTN in order to reach their target audiences.
Andrew Marok — Raymond James — Analyst
Thank you.
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Andrew Boone with JMP Securities. Please go ahead.
Andrew Boone — JMP Securities — Analyst
Good morning and thanks so much for taking my question. I’d also like to just say, hey, we’re thinking about you guys as the Israel Conflict continues to progress. Going back to kind of Laura’s question on thinking through the 4Q ’23 guide. The run rate now implies something that’s fairly negative into 2024.
Is there any way that you can help us understand organic growth maybe for 3Q or any thoughts on 2024 as we begin to really fine-tune our estimates for next year?
Sagi Niri — Chief Financial Officer
Yes, Andrew. Thanks. So we are not guiding the market regarding like giving a four-month guidance regarding 2024. I think that when — as Ofer mentioned, we are seeing all the opportunities that are laying in front of us, the different capabilities, the different products that we can enable different players within the industry and the deals that we are now trying to facilitate through Q4 and maybe Q1.
I think that to say that we will be in the lower double-digit growth is something that we can stand behind.
Andrew Boone — JMP Securities — Analyst
That’s very helpful. And then Sagi, another one for you. In your prepared comments, you said Tremor will work toward further optimizing our cost structure. Can you talk about what’s left in the business to optimize where maybe areas that there can be additional efficiencies run-up?
Sagi Niri — Chief Financial Officer
Yes. I think we did a lot during 2023, sorry, and we optimized our cost structure all over the year. We are doing it from time to time on an ongoing basis regardless of any acquisition or any restructuring. I think that we are seeing some of the products that we inherit through the Amobee acquisition and some other acquisitions that we can optimize the structure of the R&D teams over there because now we are more familiar with the tools and we tweak them so we can be more efficient over there.
Of course, some of it is part of implementing different AI solutions in order to make our work better, faster, and cheaper. Other than that, I think sales and marketing, we will continue to invest in. The other supporting departments. We are optimizing as we are moving.
So most of the optimization will come from R&D probably and taking our resources and taking more out of that with probably lower staff.
Andrew Boone — JMP Securities — Analyst
And then the last one for me is, Ofer historically, Tremor Nexxen has been kind of built by M&A. Amobee is now fully integrated. How do you think about M&A going forward as you guys have kind of a new streamlined run rate business?
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
So we just finished the integration of Amobee. I think that we mentioned it in the previous calls that was also slow us down is because we needed to work very hard on the integration. I think that we need to give the company some space now to get together like we do and to start performing on the assets that we got. When we are looking at our technological assets, I think that we have everything that we need, we can always enhance something, but I think that we have everything that we need.
We have a very strong DSP that is basically a result of a lot of DSPs that we integrated into one technology, and we did it best-of-breed technology around the DSP. We have a DMP, we have an SSP. We have a server for CTV. We have planning tools.
We have discovery tools. We have all the technology that we can really dream around. I think that if you will make an additional acquisition is always we are looking at, we call it, for capabilities, for clients or for additional territories or geographies that we want to include in our growth. But I think that in the — as we say in the near future, it’s less of an issue.
And I think that like we indicated, the best investment that we see now is to repurchase, for now, our shares whenever we can in order to support our growth and the value return for our shareholders.
Andrew Boone — JMP Securities — Analyst
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Eric Martinuzzi with Lake Street. Please go ahead.
Eric Martinuzzi — Lake Street Capital Markets — Analyst
I wanted to better understand the Q4 guide. Your contribution ex-TAC is based on the outlook, you expect it to be up about 15% quarter on quarter. Wondering how you would compare that with normal seasonality?
Sagi Niri — Chief Financial Officer
Yes. So I think the numbers that you extracted from our guidance, of course, are the right numbers. I think that as we said, we had a lot of deals going on in Q4, which all of us understand macro or not macro, are supposed to be the strongest quarter within the year and seasonality is eating over there. I think that we wanted or we assume that we are going to do better in Q4, but then because we have now a lot of new revenue stream, which are, as Ofer mentioned, the sales cycles over there are much longer and it needs to take more time for us to educate the clients about exactly what we are buying and how we’re operating it.
So some of the deals that we assume that will happen in Q4 will go and sign in Q1. And again, I think, as Ofer mentioned as well, the macro is putting a little bit of share over year. Companies does not want to sign a new contract for a new product tool in Q4, and we prefer to do it at the beginning of a new year. So this is like the color behind why we are growing 15%.
And of course, Q4 is the strongest.
Eric Martinuzzi — Lake Street Capital Markets — Analyst
OK. And then a layer deeper on CTV. CTV revenue declined from Q2 to Q3, essentially went from in round numbers, $25 million in Q2 to $20 million in Q3. What is implied in the Q4 outlook, the CTV increase? And if so, what’s the expectation?
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
I think that there are a few reason for pressure on the CTV as we indicated, I think that if even started this quarter, it started a little bit earlier. We are talking about macroeconomics. So as we mentioned, people are looking for lower CPM pressure on CPM. So even if they are buying, they are buying on lower CPM, and they are basically saving some of their costs.
So it’s less revenues for companies like us in the AdTech. The second thing is also verticals that in the last year that were like very strong on CTV like entertainment, and automotive suffered from internal issue for them of the verticals that basically affected also the they’re buying metrics and affected the size of the industry. And as we say, a shifting of budget basically from CTV to performance. So even if people are willing to buy CTV and because of the macroeconomic and because of them being cautious, they preferred to go some of them, the newcomers to things that they are more familiar with, and they are moving their spend to areas like display, mobile and OLV, which is online video instead of CPD, which is much more decorative, expensive, but it’s, let’s say, less performance-driven at this stage.
So I think that all of that together showing weakness in CTV like we see across the board, not just with us, but I think that we have the tools, as I mentioned, like the ACR that we are now expanding into new territories with success and the cross platform that we are initiated to the publisher side, and we are moving it now to the demand side next year. These will be elements that will help us to grow the demand of CTV and to offer like something unique in the market that is able to capture the attention of the advertisers and serve their needs.
Eric Martinuzzi — Lake Street Capital Markets — Analyst
But do you expect it to grow sequentially?
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
We expect it to grow, but we don’t know we are — we believe that in general, if the macroeconomic will improve, we will see a much bigger opportunity for us. But if the macroeconomic will keep pushing the market down, it will be more limited. But in general, we believe that it will, of course, will keep going.
Eric Martinuzzi — Lake Street Capital Markets — Analyst
Thank you.
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
Thank you.
Operator
Our last question comes from Mark Kelley with Stifel. Please go ahead.
Mark Kelley — Stifel Financial Corp. — Analyst
Great. Thank you. Two quick ones. Sorry to go back to the macro.
But I guess how would you frame the visibility into next year at this point? I know, obviously, last year, budgets really didn’t come to fruition or people didn’t really have visibility until February or March. Is it better this year? I guess that’s the first thing. And then the second thing, just back on CTV, with more inventory coming online, CPMs and CTV have come down as well. So I guess, what’s the bigger factor in your eyes in terms of the cautiousness in CTV? Is it the absolute CPM of the inventory that is out there? Or is it the services component of CTV and folks are just not willing to pay the markup for your services? I guess how would you kind of parse those two dynamics out?
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
OK. I will start with the focus thing that you mentioned about next year. Usually, only in the middle of Q4, you start seeing — we see that already earlier, but the push for next year is starting in the second half of Q4. Basically, people are shifting gears and basically starting to look at the next year, 2024.
It’s too early to say, of course, as we mentioned last year only in February or March, people were able to give like a better picture about the year. I think that especially when you have like a situation and macroeconomic situation like we are experiencing now is very hard to basically predict now what will happen in the end of 2024. But in general, we have like two streams of revenue. One of them, which is more infrastructure and selling platforms and so on that we can we see the interest.
We have new platforms that we are sharing with the market that we are marketing like the ACR, like the cross platform, like the discovery tools that we see that — as we said, that seems to happen in the next six to maybe slipping a little bit into Q1, but will serve us next year. And the second thing is basically booking of business that is coming, and we believe that in the next six weeks, we will start seeing like an acceleration of that, and we will be able to know more in the areas of time that you mentioned, which is the mid of Q1, usually you could get like a better feeling on the planning, on the fiber budget of advertisers for the full next year. So I think it’s too early now, but we are — since we have much more products, much more capabilities, we feel that we will be able to get more traction on this patent to grow our revenues around that next year. Around the second question is about CTV that you asked.
So I think that as always in life, it’s not one metric, and it’s not just one thing that is basically influencing something. I think it’s a mix and everything is like different from each other but in general, there are a few factors here that are pushing the CTV down, as we mentioned. I can repeat it. It’s like moving more to performance because of macroeconomic, lower CPM because of macroeconomic, some internal issues in some of the verticals that are usually supporting the growth in CTV and so on that are being affected.
And in general, cautious about the market that is slowing down the industry. So it’s very hard to put the weight on what is there — and also the point that you mentioned, like a lot of inventory and in this period of time when macroeconomics is and you don’t have a lot of demand to cover that. It’s, of course, lowering the CPM, slowing the traction and so on. But in general, when you look at that, it’s very hard to put the finger on one element that caused this slowdown.
I think that CTV for sure is something that is here to stay. It’s the most engaging and interesting format in the market. People believe in that. The growth will come also not just from digital advertisers that found this format and using it in full extent, but also from linear advertisers that, as I mentioned before, the media in order to reach their target audience in different markets, and they will use digital and CTV in order to do that, which will drive a lot of budgets into CTV in the years to come.
So I strongly believe in that. I think that we are in the right direction with choosing CTV and investing in that. But in this period of time, it’s a little bit more down because of all the effects that we just said, but it doesn’t lower from this importance from its center and from the future of this format that I’m sure that also when you hear the rest of the peers talking about that this is the main effect in the years to come, and we are very strongly invested in that. We believe in that, and we have the capabilities to serve clients and publisher around CTV.
Mark Kelley — Stifel Financial Corp. — Analyst
Understood. Thanks very much.
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
Thank you.
Operator
There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to Ofer for any closing remarks.
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
Thank you. I have a short summary that I would like to share with you today. Basically, people are asking us about the situation in Israel all the time and how we are affected. It’s important to me to say that, well, every human being should be affected when terrorist organization enter into a civilian city of villages, massacring, torturing, kidnapping kids, women, older people, and full families, and all the civilized worlds should be affected by that, for sure.
We are doing our best to keep our duties and aligned. And I want to use this opportunity to thank our employees in Israel and all over the world for the extra effort. I hope that the people that were kidnapped will be returning soon, the wounded will recover, and I give my condolences to the families that lost their loved ones I want to make a few comments about what we discussed about the macro. So we all heard about from our peers also, that there is a pressure from macroeconomics on the performance of the advertising industry for sure.
We believe that after the massive acquisition of Amobee, we build our teams and we are ready for the future. And hopefully, with better economy that will encourage growth, you will see the results of what we created and built in the last few years. About CTV, I think that there are two points that I would like to indicate here. First of all, linear to CTV.
So when we heard all the discussions and conversations that are happening in the industry lately about this conversion between linear and CTV. I think that, as I mentioned also in this call, we got the technology and which is according to what we see is the best in the market now for cross platform. Linear advertisers need additional reach in order to reach their audience, and we can basically offer them that in confidence and with much lower duplication in order for them to save money in order to reach their audiences. And this is a massive team that will happen in the industry in the next three to five years, and we are ready for that.
It’s very important to understand. On the second thing, which is the CTV in general, there is, as all the questions touched almost about the weakness or softness of CTV, we all, I think, agree in the industry, the CTV, as I mentioned, is something that is very big, very important, very effective in general because when you’re looking at people that want to advertise and to move — to create attention and engagement, they need to use the CTV in order to do that. And I think that after five years that we have this business, putting all in, in order to create the best technology to collaborate a lot of our technologies in order to serve the best CTV, building partnerships like the partnership with VIDAA, investing in VIDAA, in order to be able to offer ACR for targeting and also in the future through partners for measurement. I think that we are ready for that.
We believe in that. And the acquisition of Amobee just added to us too that we enabled us to lead in this market and to be one of the innovators and the first to offer technologies and services that are needed in order for people, advertisers to achieve basically their targets and KPIs. So I think that we are well situated. We are ramping up now our capabilities with the acquisition of Amobee, and we are ready for 2024.
So thank you very much.
Operator
[Operator signoff]
Duration: 0 minutes
Call participants:
Billy Eckert — Vice President, Investor Relations
Ofer Druker — Chief Executive Officer
Sagi Niri — Chief Financial Officer
Matt Swanson — RBC Capital Markets — Analyst
Laura Martin — Needham and Company — Analyst
Andrew Marok — Raymond James — Analyst
Andrew Boone — JMP Securities — Analyst
Eric Martinuzzi — Lake Street Capital Markets — Analyst
Mark Kelley — Stifel Financial Corp. — Analyst
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International travel surges while domestic airfares, hotel rates lag
Women pose for a photo while holding an ice cream at Trevi fountain during hot weather as a heat wave hits Europe in Rome, Italy, July 19, 2022.
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The competition for travel dollars is heating up, and the U.S. is losing out.
Airlines and hotel chains in recent weeks have reported a surge in bookings for international trips — along with rising prices.
That’s a boon to companies with global offerings, but a new challenge for airlines, theme parks and hotels that are more focused within the U.S. as travelers increasingly opt for locations abroad at the expense of domestic destinations.
International airfare is averaging $962, up 10% from last year and 26% from 2019, according to fare-tracking company Hopper. Domestic airfare, meanwhile, is falling. Roundtrips within the U.S. are down 11% from last year and 12% from 2019 at an average price of $249.
The shift is being felt at hotels too: Room rates for Europe hotels averaged $148.88 in the first half of the year, up nearly 14% from last year, while U.S. hotel rates rose just 6% from the same period a year earlier to $154.45, according to data from CoStar, the parent company of hotel-industry analysis firm STR.
Nightly rates at luxury hotels in Paris, for example, rose more than 22% in the first half of the year from a year earlier, while luxury hotel rates in Orlando, Florida, rose just 0.2%, CoStar data show.
Marriott International on Tuesday said second-quarter revenue per available room rose 6% year over year in the U.S. and Canada. The growth in international markets was more than 39%.
Nightly rates for Marriott luxury properties, like JW Marriott, The Ritz-Carlton and Edition in the U.S. and Canada ticked 1% down year over year.
Marriott finance chief Kathleen Oberg said the trend started more than a year ago, and noted that customers now have more options for places to go.
“That’s clear that when you look at the travel patterns this year that there is a big exodus of Americans going over to Europe and other places in the world,” she said on the company’s second-quarter earnings call on Tuesday.
Jesse Inman is one of those travelers opting for trips abroad. The 29-year-old, who left a software sales job earlier this year to build a farm with his father in North Carolina, is in the middle of a weekslong trip to Israel, the U.K., Austria and France.
Inman said he spent $1,839 on his two flights between the U.S. and Europe. He said he would have expected that kind of trip to cost a third of that total based on what he used to pay before the pandemic.
“The fact that I’m spending a month in Europe is going to stop me from taking some domestic trips in the near future,” Inman said. Some trips he had been considering — but could forgo — include visiting friends in Atlanta, the Denver area, and Austin and San Antonio in Texas. He also said he might cut back on skiing this winter.
Investors are starting to hear from amusement park operators on the outlook for their businesses. Cedar Fair on Thursday reported a decline in attendance for the second quarter but an increase in profit. Six Flags Entertainment reports next week.
Last week, Comcast said theme park revenue rose 22% from a year ago to more than $2.2 billion in the most recent quarter, though it registered a slowdown at its Universal parks in Orlando. The company blamed that on tougher comparisons.
“In Orlando, it really compares very well to pre-pandemic. We’re obviously down on attendance, which was kind of unprecedented […] coming off of Covid,” Comcast President Michael Cavanagh said on an earnings call last week. “So not surprised by that softening. That said, we’re at levels of attendance and per caps being better so that overall, we feel good about what we’re seeing in Orlando.”
Home turf disadvantage
The rise in international travel is good news for passengers who are looking for deals closer to home — but bad news for airlines that have U.S.-heavy schedules.
JetBlue Airways on Tuesday cut its guidance for the current quarter and 2023, citing a surge in international long-haul travel that’s hurting the carrier, whose network is largely focused on the U.S. market, the Caribbean and parts of Latin America (though it has offers service to London, Paris and Amsterdam).
“We’ve seen a greater-than-expected geographic shift in pent-up Covid demand as the strength in demand for long international travel this summer has pressured demand for shorter-haul travel,” JetBlue CEO Robin Hayes said on the company’s earnings call earlier this week.
Budget airline Frontier said the return of international long-haul travel would take a 3-point bite out of its margins, though CEO Barry Biffle said the trend could soon moderate. The carrier’s second-quarter revenue from fares per passenger fell 26% to $47.59 year over year.
Southwest Airlines also disappointed investors with its outlook last week. And Alaska Airlines, which is also focused on the U.S. market, noted a shift toward international destinations from domestic this year.
“We believe pent-up international demand has had the effect of a larger pool from would be domestic travelers than has historically been the case,” Alaska’s chief commercial officer Andrew Harrison, said on an earnings call last week.
Meanwhile, airlines like Delta Air Lines and United Airlines have been ramping up their international service to capitalize on strong demand for trips abroad that executives expect to continue into the fall, with international revenue growth far outpacing domestic revenue growth.
“Our international system is just performing outstandingly,” Andrew Nocella, United’s chief commercial officer, said on an earnings call last month. “There’s not like a single part of the globe, a single part of the network that’s not working.”
Airline stocks have declined from recent highs this earnings season as executives detail a shift in consumer preferences.
The NYSE Arca Airline index is down roughly 10% so far this quarter, while the S&P 500 is up about 1.5%.
— CNBC’s Gabriel Cortes contributed to this report.
Disclosure: Comcast owns NBCUniversal, the parent company of CNBC.
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“More and more of our global investors are asking us about crypto,” Fink said during an interview with CNBC’s Squawk on the Street on July 14. BlackRock is the world’s largest asset manager, with over $8 trillion in assets spanning all types of investment products.
In Fink’s view, cryptocurrencies have a “differentiating value versus other asset classes” in helping diversify portfolios. “It’s so international it’s going to transcend any one currency,” noted the executive.

Despite Fink’s pro-crypto remarks during the interview, he declined to comment on BlackRock’s application for a spot Bitcoin exchange-traded fund (ETF) in the United States, as the filing is still pending with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
“We are working with our regulators because, as in any new market, if BlackRock’s name is going to be on it, we’re going to make sure that it’s safe and sound and protected,” Fink added.
Several applications to list a Bitcoin (BTC) ETF on the spot market have been rejected by the SEC in past years. However, BlackRock’s filing has sparked renewed hopes of imminent approval, given the asset manager’s overwhelming success in getting ETFs approved. According to Bloomberg Intelligence’s Eric Balchunas and James Seyffart, BlackRock has filed for 550 ETF applications and has only been rejected once.
“We believe we have a responsibility to democratize investing. We’ve done a great job, and the role of ETFs in the world is transforming investing. And we’re only at the beginning of that,” Fink stated in the interview.
BlackRock’s application has been followed by several refilings for similar ETF products in the United States. Asset managers in line for a green light include Fidelity, Bitwise, 21Shares, WisdomTree and Investco, among others.
While American money managers wait for the SEC’s decision, Europe’s first spot Bitcoin ETF is set to debut later this year by London-based firm Jacobi Asset Management. The product was scheduled to launch in 2022 but was postponed due to the bear market. According to Jacobi, the demand has been gradually shifting since last year.
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